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    Default 106 Squadron Lancaster ED542

    Hi all

    Wondering if anyone can shed any light on the loss of the above Lancaster on the night of April 3, 1943. I have lent my copy of Chorley to someone else, who still hasnt returned it and am looking into the above for a friends who had a family member KIA on the aircraft.

    Many thanks in advance

    Steve

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    Hi Steve
    There isn't a lot in Chorley Vol 4 for this a/c. He records that it left Syerston at 1915 on an op to Essen, 3/4/43 and is believed to have crashed near Sythen,4 km NE of Haltern. The crew were all killed and 6 are now in Reichswald Forest War Cemetery with the w/op,Sgt A Burson, commemorated at Runnymede as presumably not found or not identified.The crew were:-
    Sgt T J Ridd,pilot
    Sgt R C H Webb,F/E
    P/O J W Simpson, Nav
    P/O A C Palmer, Air Bomber
    Sgt A Burson, W/op
    Sgt R S Sabel, A/G
    Sgt E Williams,A/G
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    Hi Dick

    Many thanks for that, it didnt by any chance note if it was lost to flak or nighfighter did it?

    Many thanks
    Steve

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    Steve
    Chorley had nothing to say about that,sorry
    Regards
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    Thanks for looking Dick, appreciate it

    Steve

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    Hi Steve,

    According to Theo Boiten's books on the German NJG War Diaries they were shot down by Lt August Geiger of 7./NJG1 for his 20th victory. He went on to claim 49 victories before he was killed on the night of 29/30 Sept 1943 when his aircraft was shot down by a 141 Sqn Beaufighter piloted by W/C John R D Braham DSO, DFC.

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    John.

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    Thanks John, I missed your reply at the time and have sent the additional info on to the family.

    Also Kevin who PM'ed me on this aircraft could you resend your message to this account as the original identity I started the thread with has since been disabled.

    Kind regards
    Steve
    Last edited by Steve Newman; 23rd July 2013 at 10:23.

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    Default Ed542

    Hi Steve,
    Sgt R.C.H.Webb Flt/Eng was my uncle on the Lancaster bomber ED542, I have sent a PM for you and look forward to hearing from you.

    Kind Regards,
    Kev

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    A quick query about this crash, if anyone can help.

    The NEWMP (North East War Memorials Project), who I try to help out with, has a page dedicated to one of the crew of ED542, J. W. Simpson, here:

    http://www.newmp.org.uk/article.php?...isplayorder=31

    The article records that the crew were initially buried at Brünen Municipal Cemetery, and that it's some distance from the proposed crash site at Sythen - some 23 miles to the west as the crow flies, and 30 miles by road.

    The NEWMP have passed on to me an e-mail they received from a local historian from Brünen asking why the crew were initially buried there if the Lancaster crashed at Sythen, so is it possible to get confirmation of exactly where ED542 came down? Or why the bodies would be removed to Brünen for burial?

    Many thanks,

    Simon
    Researching R.A.F. personnel from the North East of England

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    Default Re: 106 Squadron Lancaster ED542

    Simon, thank you! I am the local historian from Brünen / Germany. I am investigating the fate of the ED 542 crew. 6 members of that crew were buried in our Evangelical cemetery on April 7, 1943. In 1947 they were exhumed and relocated to the Reichswald Cemetery/ Kleve.

    Like Simon mentioned is of particular interest the exact crash site of the Lancaster ED 452, which took place on the night of April 3/4, 1943.

    Various crash sites are mentioned online, which are all quite far from my home town.

    Gemen (20 km away by road)
    https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/208653


    Duisberg (this place name does not exist - it should be Duisburg, 45 km away by road)
    Air Battle of the Ruhr: The RAF Offensive March – July 1943
    by Alan W. Cooper

    Sythen (50 km away by road)
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...hp?qnum=100780

    I conclude that the exact location of the crash is unknown.

    I suspect that the machine crashed in the area around Brünen (near Wesel). Otherwise the fallen soldiers would not have been buried in our cemetery. They are the only Allied soldiers who were buried there during this period. There were also no medical facilities in Brünen that were possibly involved in the care of the crew.

    To figure out the the exact location of the crash, I would like to know, where I can find the following files:

    a) operational book of 106th squadron,

    b) KU / KJ report of the German authorities that saved and recorded the crash site.

    Are any of these documents online or - offline - in archives in Britain available?

    Thanks for your help in advance.

    Kind regards from Germany,
    Kai
    Last edited by Niederrhein; 19th June 2020 at 19:27.

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