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    Has anyone else ever seen this armband? I had never heard of it (but what do I know?) How common was it?

    https://victoriancollections.net.au/...751a320cab67f9

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    Hi Amrit,

    yes I have read about this captain armband in some reminiscences of Czechoslovak airmen of 311 Squadron. But to be honest I have never seen it on any photo of our airman. In general I have never seen it to be worn on any photo yet, always only as a piece in some books and that is all.

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    Amrit,

    Can't tell you anything about the armband, but I can tell you it was donated by the former President of the Lara (near Geelong, Victoria) branch of the Returned and Services League (RSL).

    AUS419022 Ronald John 'Jack' BRANCH RAAF (1924-1994).

    Ronald John BRANCH was born at the Somerton Private Hospital, Geelong, on 20 June, 1924, to Mr and Mrs Wilfred John Branch, of Lauriston, Lara, Victoria.

    Ronald was an Old Geelong Grammarian (Bostock House). He was in the RAAF Reserve in June 1942, and worked as a Transport Driver in August 1942 at 11 EFTS, Benalla, prior to his call-up in November. He went to No.1 ITS at Somers, Victoria, then Western Junction, Tasmania, and then Point Cook, before embarking on August 11, 1943, for the UK via America, where he underwent further training . He graduated as a Pilot Officer in November 1943 from 29 OTU, Bruntingthorpe, where he trained on Wellingtons, and 1660 Heavy Conversion Unit on Stirlings. He was posted in December 1944 to 49 (Lancaster) Squadron, RAF, at Fulbeck, and later Syerston, and captained a Lancaster, flying 17 sorties. He returned to Australia on 17th October, 1945, and was discharged on 6 December, 1945.

    See:
    Geelong Grammarians At World War Two.
    Affleck,James (comp. & ed.).
    Corio:The Old Geelong Grammarians Inc.,2002.
    p.130

    In 1947, Ron Branch was president of the Lara Branch of the Returned and Services League, and later (1952), served as a councillor on the Corio Shire Council. He passed away in 1994.

    See also: https://victoriancollections.net.au/...751a320cab67fb

    and ... http://www.49squadron.co.uk/personne...tail/Branch_RJ

    Col.
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    I would say that the Captain of Aircraft Armband (Brassard) was at least partly related to the attempt to get more rear crew members qualified to be Captains in Bomber and Coastal Aircraft.
    The idea of the Captain having to wear an armband was obviously never going to catch on with the majority of crews.

    Below is a link for the Jefford Book (page 267)

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...assard&f=false



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    Thank you everyone for your replies. I always understood that the "captain" was always the pilot, regardless of rank. This development seems rather American

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    Hi Amrit
    In the RAF - the great majority of Captains continued to be the 1st Pilot,during WW2 there were very few rear crew Captains.

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    bvs, I had another look at the link you posted and scrolled down to the next page. It further highlights its unpopularity in BC, and was used in limited numbers in Coastal Command. And by the end of the war it had virtually disappeared.

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    Hi Amrit
    The concept never went away and in some Roles the idea is probably quite sound - although the 1st Pilot would still be solely responsible for the safe flying/operation of the Aircraft.
    From one of the RAF Historical Seminars...


    Dickie records the first Navigator to be made an aircraft Captain –
    Robert Augustine Irving, at the Liberator OTU at Nassau in the
    Bahamas
    And also the origin of Air Ministry Order A410 of 20 May
    1948, by which equal career opportunities were offered to pilots and
    navigators.

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    Yes. It is a “Captain of the Aircraft” and was discussed in a earlier But recent thread So search for that as I believe we discussed it’s relevance. Dad had one and looks to me it wasn’t used. I thought it might be useful if a/c were diverted to another airfield and aircraft captains could be easily identified in a crowded debriefing room. Clearly the members of the aircrew knew who was OC of the crew.

    Jim

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    My son has a splendid collection of RFC/RNAS/RAF insignia, etc and has a website WWW.BRITAIRFORCE.COM. He has two of these armbands - a crowned metal eagle, surmounted by a crown, the whole above a red embroidered C. Follow the link through RAF to ARMBANDS and you will see one in all its glory.

    Jim

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