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    Alfred Clifford Baker
    Not much in the Air76 record. Seems too sparse for someone with AFC and DFC.
    However, Vancouver and Seattle make this a real possibility. Will look for more.

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    His draft card for WW2 has him
    Having a scar on upper lip and nose

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    itle: Name Baker, Albert Clifford


    Item number: 2879789
    Catalogue reference: AIR 76/18/6

    Very Sparce

    59 Wg 56 TDG Despersed ?? 19.4.19

    2Lt 8/11/1918

    Think on 1918 April AFL as Pilot 2 Lt


    Baker
    Albert Clifford


    1912-20
    British Royal Air Force, Officers' Service Records 1912-1920
    Great Britain

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    Just a point someone born
    6 June 1897
    is 22 on 6 June 1919 and 23 6 June 1920 - So in May 1920 - would be 22...

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    Got his full Who's who in American Aeronautics ..

    Aviation - Volume 12 - Page 400

    books.google.co.uk › books
    1922 - ‎Snippet view


    BAKER, ALBERT CLIFFORD,
    Aeronautical Engineer; born, Maidstone, England, June 6, 1897; son of James
    Baker and Elizabeth Baker: married, Elsie Covel, May 1 1919.
    Educated: Maidstone Technical & Engineering College; ...
    Engineering 1st Deg., 1914,
    Aeronautical Activities:
    Transferred from Yeomanry to R . F . C March 6, 1915 ; credited with destruction of 22 machines; discharged with rank of Major.
    Aug. 1919. Flying Rating : Major, R . A . F . War Service: Aug. 1914 to Aug. 1919. Honors: Military Cross, Dec. 1914:
    : Distinguished Flving Crobs, 1917; Air Force Cross, 1917.
    Address: 91 Burrard St., Vancouver. B. C.*


    This is what is written, does seem like the "records details" match the incident- I am not saying anything on what is written in the book!
    Last edited by paulmcmillan; 31st July 2020 at 08:48.

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    Albert Clifford Baker
    in the U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)

    Name: Albert Clifford Baker
    Court District: Washington
    Date of Action: 17 May 1921

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    Slight problem with American Aeronautics Paul. Neither the Air Force Cross or Distinguished Flving Cross was established until June 1918 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Fo...nited_Kingdom) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distin...nited_Kingdom) ), hence they could not have been awarded in 1917.

    The Military Cross was not created until 28 December 1914 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Cross#History), the first 98 awards being gazetted on 1 January 1915. Thus while it is possible he could have qualified for an MC, he was still at university(?) during the summer and just 17 years old when he qualified for his engineering degree. At such a young age could he have completed his military training and been commissioned in such a short time frame? Just asking.

    Edit.#25 notes he was educated at Maidstone Technical & Engineering College, not a university per se, so I wonder if he qualified for a full degree? It was common practice at the time for students to study for degrees at technical colleges, but 17 seems to be a bit young to have qualified.
    Brian
    Last edited by Lyffe; 31st July 2020 at 15:01. Reason: correct reference to university

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    I have major issue with what is published in American Aeronautics - But this would have been what was supplied to the publication by the person who wanted inclusion - The fact - That this info ties up with the original newspaper reports - Is interesting! Also the fact he moved from Vancouver to USA in 1921 - I think I know what has happened ....

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    Am I correct to assume that Alfred Clifford Baker has falsely embellished his military records?

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    Wouldn't dream of it, old boy; there's probably a very good explanation.

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