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    Default The Elusive J A M Bird

    Hello All,
    A “J A M Bird” was in the RAF. He was in 101 Sqn. He was in Lancaster PB671 which allegedly took off from Ludford Magna at 2125(time zone not known –but prob Z) on 20 Feb 45 on whatever mission. Nothing further known? Except that Bird became PoW (no PoW details known).
    I cannot find his details in AIR 78, FREEBMD, LG, FMP, etc. Is he a typo – or is it me?
    No hurry. What we haven’t known for 75-odd yrs is not going to change in the next day or so!
    TIA
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    Default Re: The Elusive J A M Bird

    A typo in some documents but you need to expand where you look Peter.

    No.101 Squadron ORB is free download at the moment.

    AIR27/804/4 lists this crew member as W/O J H Bird it further casts certainty onto what to allege and describe as whatever.

    http://www.rafinfo.org.uk/rafexpow/S...rsncos_SL1.htm

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    Default Re: The Elusive J A M Bird

    He is listed in the 101 Squadron ORB record of events as W/O J H Bird.

    Where did the J A M come from

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    Default Re: The Elusive J A M Bird

    Ross/Chris (et al)
    1316000 is listed as John Harold Mason Bird in forces-war-records (one can see where the typo came from?).
    1316000 is listed as John Harold Mason Bird in TNA AIR 78/15/5 Image 217 R3C2
    PB671 – if inserted into the Serials DB – on this very forum - gives a J A M Bird (with no RAF/PoW s/ns) as a PoW. The source is given as “Henk Welting’s Database”.
    He is further listed as Bird, J A M, Taken PoW 1945-02-20, 101 Sqn, source attributed to Ross, on a European/Med/African PoW s/sheet that I am working on for Jagan. There are a significant number of similar reconciliations awaiting.
    I would have said that – under normal circumstances – there was sufficient evidence (above) to cast some doubt upon the number, and initialisations, of the Forenames of W/O Bird. Thus my original request for some guidance on his Forenames.
    I think it best if I do not put any more of them as Threads on the General Category. It may have been an error of judgement.
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    Default Re: The Elusive J A M Bird

    For the record the crew are shown in a 1948 MRES report contained within the 2nd pilots service file giving a crew of

    F/O David Walter WESTON DFC 157909 (Ex 943621) Wop/AG †
    Sgt Samuel James STEPHENS 628873 Rear Gnr †
    F/O Gerald Lee HALSALL J41163 2nd Pilot †
    A/S/Ldr Trevor John WARNER 41884 Pilot
    Sgt Wilfred HARTHILL (1593308) 1093580 F/Eng
    F/O Alan JEFFCOAT 163645 Nav
    W/O John Harold Mason BIRD (13160000) 1316000 A/B
    F/Sgt E C ROBERTS 1452454 M/U/G

    But that too contains mistakes and typos.

    Chris
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    Default Re: The Elusive J A M Bird

    Peter

    He was reported missing in both the Gloucester Citizen of March 17th 1945 and Gloucester Journal of March 24th 1945:

    Stroud Airman Missing
    Official notification has been received from the Air Ministry by Mr. and Mrs. Bruce S. Bird, of Paganhill Lodge, Stroud, that their elder son, Warrant Officer John Harold Mason Bird, R.A.F., is missing as a result of air operations last month. Aged 23, Warrant Officer Bird was educated at Marling School. His younger brother Tony, who was educated at Marling School and Wycliffe College, has just received a commission in the Royal Navy.


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    Simon
    Researching R.A.F. personnel from the North East of England

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    Hello All,
    Tks for all the clarifications. Most helpful.
    Rgds
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    Default Re: The Elusive J A M Bird

    Hi Peter
    Well you know what it was like with military humour.

    John Harold Mason Bird could easily have become John 'Arold' Mason Bird.
    Or possibly somebody linked the top of the 'vertical strokes' of the 'H' to become 'A'.
    Or perhaps possibly linked to having Jam with your custard (Birds).

    What I mean is that the JAM could have been a sort of nickname.

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