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    Hi
    Does anyone know which Lancaster Squadrons took part in the raid to Hamm/Soest on 5 December 1944? Did they suffer any damaged aircraft? Also, what were escort victories? I am aware of 3-0-1 Me 109 by No 91 Sqn.
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    Franek

    35 Squadron were involved, but only one aircraft had to feather an engine during the operation. I don't know whether this helps, but the Form 1180's for the night can be found at http://lancasterbombersinfo.ipage.co...ecember/1.html

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    Hi
    Thanks for the reply, but I think it was not the operation. The raid to Soest was a daylight one by 3 Gp. I have looked at the ORB of No 35 Sqn but there seems to be no matching mission in F.541. It was noted that one aircraft returned early, however.
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    Franek

    Apologies .... as you say, 35 Squadron were involved in an evening raid to Soest rather than daylight

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    The summary of aircraft damaged on operations shows 3 Lancasters from 75 Squadron suffered flak damage along with one each from 514, 149 & 115 Squadrons.

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    Thanks David! I have browsed through the ORBs, not much on the aircraft. It is noted in F.540 of No 514 Sqn that a rear gunner was wounded in one aircraft, but F541 gives no clue. I am looking for a straggler that was attacked by 109s. ORB of No 115 Sqn does mention such attack, but again, does not specify the aircraft nor its unit.
    I am pretty confused now as to target, as I have seen both Hamm and Soest. I wonder if both targets were attacked at the time.
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    Franek - Hamm is listed as the 3 Group target for the daylight operation, while Soest was the target for 4, 6 & 8 Groups the night of Dec.5th/6th. Also I missed the fact that 195-C was in a combat with a fighter and suffered damage. This may be your straggler. The serial is hard to read, could be NC305 or NG305. Looks like it happened at Sas Van Gent Holland. Aviation Safety Network information on this can be found here: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/49571
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    Franek,

    AIR 24/653 Statistics of Combats and Casualties in ADGB., Fighter Command and 2 TAF; Vol 4
    91 Sqn, 12 Spitfire IX, 1045-1325 Ramrod, 3 Me.109 Destr + 1 Me.109 Dam, 1 Spitfire Cat.E + 1 Cat.B caused by enemy fighters, NE of Wesel
    504 Sqn, 11 Spitfire IX, 1045-1325 Ramrod, no claims, 1 Spitfire Cat.B caused by enemy fighters, NE of Wesel

    AIR 14/3433 Monthly Supplementary Narrative of Operations
    1 Me,109 claimed probably destroyed by Lancaster C of 195 Sqn, 1158 hrs

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    Franek,


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    Thanks gents!
    Re victories, I have the first to be possibly tied with the raid, 1-0-0 109 by No 182 Sqn at 1130 15 m S Munster. Then No 91 Sqn 3-0-1 at 11:55 NW Wesel and No 412 Sqn 4-1-0 about noon 10 m SE Wesel. Total 8-1-1 Me 109s. It looks that 1-0-0 (ORB) or 0-1-0 should be added for No 195 Sqn.
    The Lancaster looks Mk I NG305 JE-C. Thanks, got through the ORB.
    The crew was as follows, I wonder if I shall be able to find first names.
    F/O J. R. Disher Capt. Safe
    F/Sgt J. W. Greeves F/Eng Safe
    Sgt C. A. Paske Nav. Safe
    F/Sgt G. A. Calvert B/A Safe
    Sgt V. Jordan WOp Safe
    Sgt D. F. Jones MUGnr Wounded
    Sgt S. B. LeBrun RGnr Wounded
    David, thanks for confirming Hamm as a target. Could you check, please what place was the target of Ramrods on 3 & 4 December? It was a dam, I read Reinbach or Heinbach, but I cannot find it anywhere. Reputedly in Aachen area.
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