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    A few of the following looked familiar and I seem to recall posting a link to a collection by the same photographer before but most of these were new to me:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/827078...69786717/page1

    Some images are early post-war.

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    I viewed Mr du Plessis' Flickr RAF/SAAF WW2 collection with the very deepest dismay.

    His account includes historical collections aplenty, but not one of his posted historical images that I viewed gave a photographer credit or source. Not one.

    Some at least of the RAF captions are very plainly incorrect.

    Mr du PLessis is a South African, retired, and a long-standing acct holder at Flickr, and posting from 2007 to at least 2019.

    The RAF WW2 and other historical images I saw were all annotated with "Taken on" (dates in eg 2016, 2019)": that cannot possibly be right as he cannot possibly have taken any of them.

    All asserted his copyright of them and as "All rights reserved" (in apparent breach of Flicker License conditions).

    Deeply disappointing image treatment, for any useful research or other use.
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    I'm glad you have reservations, Don. Viewing them for the first time I did wonder if they were black and white images which have been colourised. Apart from the Flickr photos I've not been able to discover much about the gentleman.

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    I have known this flickr photostream for a while.

    I do not think they are colourised black and white photos - the gentleman had curated a large number of colour photos in one place for easy reference. For which I am thankful

    Yeah putting a copyright all rights reserved is a stretch, but I will chalk it up to someone using the default setting in flickr.

    it is possible to trace some of the images to the original sources.

    eg https://www.flickr.com/photos/827078...33801/sizes/l/ comes from https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205018248

    Some of the recent images seem to be extraordinarily sharp and suggest some sort of post-processing. maybe taken from colour footage . This amount of post processing, I am not a fan of ... and could have been avoided.

    eg: https://www.flickr.com/photos/827078...41187/sizes/l/ Hurricane IID HV663

    Can be seen at sequence of three images https://twitter.com/rgpoulussen/stat...624320/photo/2 https://twitter.com/rgpoulussen/stat...624320/photo/1 https://twitter.com/rgpoulussen/stat...624320/photo/3

    But the sharpness and colour and clarity differs a lot.

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    Lyffe, Thank you.

    The only firm info for Mr du Plessis, whose names are not unusual in South Africa, is that on his Flickr acct. His My Pictures album intro note also indicates his father's 1950s photography began his own interest.

    I repeat, he cannot claim WW2 images as his own work, nor assert copyright over them.

    As for the WW2 RAF colour images, many of them have a palette the puts me in mind of the Life WW2 Color collection but I've spent no time on attempting to track down his actual sources.

    His captions have no useful Source detail either. A Mark IV Blenheim P4834 in colour becoming a "1939 Bristol Blenheim Mark IF" was notable, sourced as "coming from a cine film".
    Last edited by Don Clark; 23rd October 2020 at 00:28.
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    (Opening a can of worms).... Considering even organizations like IWM / RAF Museum puts a copyright message over WW2 era images - I find it difficult to go after individuals.. :-)

    While we are at it, even RAF Museum has a flickr stream https://www.flickr.com/photos/royalairforcemuseum/

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    Going by the visible EXIF information - yes processed via Photo Shop.. maybe a bit too much. Date Taken is actually 'Date Digitized' i suspect 'Date processed'

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    JFIFVersion - 1.02
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    Compression - JPEG (old-style)
    Image Description - Armourers attach the nose and tail units onto a cluster projectile containing 26 x 20-lb anti-personnel bombs, chain of 20mm cannon shells , 439 Sqn?/Armourers attach the nose and tail units onto a cluster projectile containing 26 x 20-lb anti-personnel bombs, fitted under the wing of a Hawker Typhoon Mark IB of No. 439 Squadron RCAF at B78/Eindhoven, Holland.
    Software - Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0
    Date and Time (Modified) - 2020:10:09 15:25:26
    Artist - Picasa
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    Exif Version - 0220
    Date and Time (Original) - 2019:10:06 21:19:58
    Components Configuration - Y, Cb, Cr, -
    Flashpix Version - 0100
    Color Space - Uncalibrated
    Image Unique ID - 9082e8813a0a932057ddb9eb82aeab8d
    Interop Version - 0100
    Related Image Width - 1896
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    Date Created - 2019:10:06
    Time Created - 21:19:58+00:00
    Originating Program - Topaz Labs
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    Caption- Abstract - Typhoon close-up, 1945. A posed photo of a Hawker Typhoon Mark IB of No. 439 Squadron RCAF at B78/Eindhoven, Holland, being armed. Note the two cluster projectile's, containing 26 x 20-lb anti-personnel bombs under the wings
    Copyright Flag - False
    Global Angle - 30
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    Description - Typhoon close-up, 1945. A posed photo of a Hawker Typhoon Mark IB of No. 439 Squadron RCAF at B78/Eindhoven, Holland, being armed. Note the two cluster projectile's, containing 26 x 20-lb anti-personnel bombs under the wings
    Date and Time (Digitized) - 2019:10:06 21:47:50
    Creator Tool - Adobe Photoshop Elements for Windows, version 2.0
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    RAF Museum: Watermarked, sourced, and annotated appropriately, all by the holding collection/s, with appropriate conditions for use and allowing for possible further work.

    I have not suggested that the Board, you as owner nor anyone else ought to pursue ("go after") the Flickr user.

    That doesn't make such usage right.

    Some of the WW2 RAF images appeared earlier in the WW2 In Color gallery but are no longer there, such as the 21 Sqn Blenheim IVs series at Bodney: from the Life collection, if I recall correctly and all since taken down from WW2 In Color.
    Last edited by Don Clark; 23rd October 2020 at 01:04.
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    Jagan
    This is an authentic quality!
    In regard of copyrights, a number of bodies claim copyright to photos that already are in a public domain. This is a complicated issue, and I am aware of no aviation enthusiast who would be able to afford a legal case. This is a big problem, as some fees claimed are utterly ridiculous, but often it is not possible to obtain quality scans from another source.
    https://www.facebook.com/Franciszek-Grabowski-241360809684411/

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    One more comparison https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f714ecba_h.jpg Firefly

    Getty Images Photo https://media.gettyimages.com/photos...09?s=2048x2048

    A lot of photo processing in the Flickr version, and its cropped - the sharpness is probably some filter in Adobe Photo shop that does this for you. I cannot imagine any WW2 era photograph having such sharpness as in the flickr version.


    some fees claimed are utterly ridiculous
    Oh yes, just start with how much Getty Images want to charge you per image ($499!)

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