Sgt (Pilot) Helmore 1940

[78SqnHistory]

I appreciate that this is a real long shot but nothing ventured nothing gained. I am looking for any information on a Sgt (Pilot) Helmore; I have him flying 3 operations with 78 Squadron in late 1941 and early 1942:

30/11/41 Hamburg
18/12/41 Brest
10/02/42 Emden

I can then find no further information about him. As SNCO aircrew were not recorded in any detail in the Squadron ORB I don't have any idea of when he joined or left the squadron, previous unit, initials or service number. I have searched the CWGC database and have come up blank and I have checked POW records and the London Gazette for any awards for gallantry/meritorious service etc. The only possible connection is a 89350 Squadron Leader P W Helmore RAFVR who is Mentioned in Dispatches in the KBHL 08/06/44, but I have nothing concrete to connect this gentleman to the Sgt pilot who flew with 78 Squadron.

Any help/thoughts appreciated.

Thanks

Daz

[Resmoroh]

Daz, Hi,
If nobody comes up with the answer quickly then we can do it the hard way! There are only 30-odd Helmore's in AIR 78/74/9 (and I noted that a few of those were of the female persuasion). Wouldn't take long to transcribe them to a spreadsheet, discard the "non-runners", and you will be left with the full names/inits/numbers of those who might be your Driver, Airframe, EA 1.
HTH
Peter Davies

[78SqnHistory]

Thanks Peter, I'll give that a try.

Daz

[paulmcmillan]

First Name Surname Service Number Rank Record Year Unit
S M Helmore 251940 1918 Royal Air Force
Alfred Edgar Fitzroy Helmore 868761 1925 Royal Air Force
L J Helmore 866088 1925 Royal Air Force
R L Helmore 370186 1925 Royal Air Force
H V T Helmore 751173 1937 Royal Air Force -> Henry Victor Thomas HELMORE (82724) KIA 28 Jun 41 AS F/O - But listed as Obs
Derek Eastman Helmore 1322888 1940 Royal Air Force
George Eric Helmore 1378060 1940 Royal Air Force
Norman Martyn Helmore 1186430 1940 Royal Air Force
Peter William Helmore 908612 1940 Royal Air Force
Raymond Decimus Anthony Helmore 914042 1940 Royal Air Force
Terence Martin Helmore 1321366 1940 Royal Air Force
Thomas Whitehouse Helmore 1300105 1940 Royal Air Force
W L Helmore 338819 1940 Royal Air Force
Anthony Ramson Helmore 1446419 1941 Royal Air Force
Arthur John Helmore 1667415 1941 Royal Air Force
Barnard Hill Helmore 1427381 1941 Royal Air Force
Cyril James Helmore 1587291 1941 Royal Air Force
Edgar William Helmore 1810750 1941 Royal Air Force
Reginald Stanley Helmore 1643222 1941 Royal Air Force
Maurice Arthur Helmore 583075 1944 Royal Air Force
Bryan William Helmore 4071077 1946 Royal Air Force
David Cyril Helmore 3131477 1946 Royal Air Force
Peter Irvin Helmore 3116880 1946 Royal Air Force
Derek Charles Edward Helmore 2343181 1947 Royal Air Force

[COL BRUGGY]

Hello,

Re 89350 Peter William Helmore RAFVR:

P/O Peter William HELMORE RAFVR - DFC LG: 13/02/1942 - 50 Sqn.
A/S/L Peter Wiliam HELMORE DFC RAFVR - Bar to DFC LG:08/12/1944 - 105 Sqn.
Later AFC. Son of Air Comm William Helmore, of Turbinlite fame (infamy?).

Not your man - Commissioned 14/12/1940.

Col.

[davew]

Terence Martin Helmore 1321366 1940

A TM Helmore was killed in a flying accident at Little Rissington 1/7/47, Tiger Moth NL784.
He was aged 25.

Gloucestershire Echo 02 July 1947
Daily Mirror 03 July 1947

DaveW

[78SqnHistory]

Thank you all for your prompt responses. I think we have narrowed the field to the following:

914042 Raymond Decimus Anthony Helmore - enlisted circa Sept 1939

1186430 Norman Martyn Helmore - enlisted circa April 1940

1300105 Thomas Whitehouse Helmore - enlisted circa July 1940 - NOW RULED OUT - he was a Cpl in 1943 so not aircrew

1378060 George Eric Helmore - enlisted circa August 1940

1322888 Derek Eastman Helmore - enlisted circa November 1940

1321366 Terence Martin Helmore - enlisted circa November 1940

338819 W L Helmore - enlisted circa December 1940

868761 Alfred Edgar Fitzroy Helmore - enlisted circa December 1925

370186 R L Helmore - enlisted circa September 1925 - eliminated see post from Paulmcmillan

So does anyone have any suggestions on how I can weed out the non-runners?

Regards

Daz

[paulmcmillan]

370186 R L Helmore - enlisted circa September 1925

He can be eliminated

Robert Leslie Helmore

Born 12 Aug 1906
Died April 1976

1939 Register
Chief Administrative Clerk (No 5 Civil Air Navigahon School weston super- mare)
Class E Reserve

[Resmoroh]

One way is to feed all the Service Numbers through the LG and CWGC. Any Commissioning will indicate possible non-GD Branch, and CWGC appearance can, again, find 'non-runners'. Putting the known Forenames (or Inits, and Service Number) through any of the genealogical/fam-hist sites will often provide additional data - or 'non-runners'!! But these procedures are very time-consuming and tedious. Age can help whether he's "in" or "out". The Service Number (and an assumption of age on Enlistment!!) can help! But the Service Record might be the only answer - and with 4 "possibles" - this might be expensive. Depends how important the information is!!
HTH
Peter Davies

[cozzy711]

Not Terence Martin Helmore 1321366 He was commissioned to P/O (133361) from 6th November 1942 from the rank of LAC

Chris