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    Those lists ask for conversion into proper databases, with units and periods of service.
    https://www.facebook.com/Franciszek-Grabowski-241360809684411/

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    There seems to be a law of digitisation that says that loads of stuff will be digitised but not the bits you were looking for. I wonder if the current corvid crisis (too many magpies and crows!) will cause an acceleration of digitisation. Those logbooks on the IBCC website would otherwise be lost to researchers unless they stumbled across the owner of one. The IWM has some partly digitised but the above mention digitisation law seems to come into play.

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    Hi,

    Is there a definitive list of log books held at Hendon available ?

    TIA

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    This was discussed last week, be good to keep the discussion there:

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...ional-Archives

    You would need to contact them and ask them I think.
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    Further to RAF aircrew Flying Log Book retention and destruction, esp as noted by RAF Museum
    https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/researc...crew-logbooks/

    From a recent publication, I was most interested to learn of not one but two serious efforts at returning retained Log Books: the first in January 1946 and then again in 1960.

    The details are described at length in Ch 17 of RAF World War II Operational and Flying Accident Casualty Files in the National Archives: Exploring the Contents by Mary Hudson (Air World/Pen & Sword 2020)

    Impossible* to transcribe from an ebook copy, the text covers Flying Log Book retention and return policy, and action to return to survving ex-aircrew and casualties from pre-war to post-war.

    *Tedious but just possible: Ch 17 passage in full

    "Among the official documents issued to the casualty which
    were set aside by the Effects Officer to be retained by the RAF
    were Flying Log Books (RAF Forms 414 and 1767).

    Before the Second World War flying log books of deceased
    officers and airmen were forwarded to next of kin when no
    longer required for official purposes such as investigations
    into aircraft accidents. However, when the war started this
    practice was discontinued for the 'duration of hostilities'.
    The flying log books of missing or deceased aircrew were
    instead to be sent from home units to the RAF Central
    Depository at Colnbrook where they were recorded and kept
    in safe custody. Overseas units sent the flying log book to
    their command headquarters for safe-keeping. A similar
    practice was observed for the flying log books of personnel
    who were declared to be prisoners of war.

    In January 1946 authority was given by the Air Ministry
    for the release of the Flying Log Books of air crew who had
    either been discharged or released from the service, who had
    died, or who [had] been withdrawn from air crew duties. Next of
    kin of deceased air crew were invited to apply for the Flying
    Log Book through newspaper advertisements and by radio
    announcements. Following this some next of kin wrote to the
    Casualty Branch about the Flying Log Books of their relatives
    and these letters, and the responses to them, were
    placed on the on the relevant Casualty Files. Unclaimed
    Flying Log Books were kept at the RAF Central Depository
    until 1960 when it was again publically [sic] advertised that
    Flying Log Books still held by the RAF could be claimed by
    air crew or, where deceased, their next-of-kin.

    Of those still left unclaimed after this second announcement
    a small number were preserved as examples and are now held at the
    National Archives in the AIR 4 Series. The remainder were
    destroyed in late 1960."

    The book is a comprehensive guide to the RAF & MRES etc practices and recording of RAF casualties.
    Available in print and ebook form via eg www.Booktopia.com.au also listed new & used at www.boookfinder.com - or check national libraries/interlibrary loan in your country.

    Occasional criticism about destruction of remaining Log Books might be tempered by awareness of these repeated, extensive efforts...
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    Very good, Don

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    This link does not seem to work ?

    https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/researc...crew-logbooks/

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    Apologies, basic copy mistake: cut and pasted the link from one of the related posts - which display in shortened form as text.
    Plus basic check omisssion.
    Plus too late to amend my post.

    Agree, meant to post as
    https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/researc...crew-logbooks/
    (that is: rafmuseum.org.uk/research/default/archive-collection/aircrew-logbooks/)

    Related Threads/posts
    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...screened/page3
    and
    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...lying-Logbooks

    Apologies. Not best effort.
    Kick stones, with added anglo-saxon.
    Last edited by Don Clark; 18th September 2021 at 07:59.
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