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    The ATC Casualties has reminded me that CWGC will NOT record some deaths in WW2 timescale as the period as they are not recognised as Service War Deaths - I think they should be recorded somewhere and Jagan has agreed and maybe we will add them to the DB with a indicator if members think they should be included


    So I think we should record them under this thread

    I will start with

    04/09/1939 Spitfire Prototype K5054 at RAE Farnborough. Pilot died 5th Sept 1939

    Pilot was Flight Lieutenant Gilbert 'Spinner' Standridge White who has died on active service but is not on CWGC

    The Spitfire Story" by Price
    ""But 'Spinner' White had suffered serious neck injuries and he died in hospital four days later (sic)."

    Ancestry. says died on 5th Sept (day later) and the Probate Calendar agrees. so the "four days" later is wrong in book and he died of broken neck

    Birth: 14/01/1899 (14 Jan 1899) London
    Death: 05/09/1939 (5 Sep 1939) Aldershot Hampshire England

    Deaths

    Name: Gilbert Stanbridge White
    Death Date: 5 Sep 1939
    Death Place: Surrey, England
    Probate Date: 21 Dec 1939
    Probate Registry: London, England

    See
    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...4-pilot-killed

    CWGC neglected to add him when I questioned this as they said according to RAF he was not in Service even though on Casualty List :-(

    The Times Casualty list reveals his service number as 19098 in Casualty Communique #4 from Air Ministry


    #19098 Flight Lieutenant G.S. White


    See

    https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/75481


    I think we may need to Xref with Test Pilot Deaths and also maybe Ferry Command Civilian deaths

    Thanks Paul

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    Did you see the article in the Surrey Advertiser from September 16th 1939?

    FUNERAL OF AIR CRASH VICTIM
    Semi-military honours were accorded at Woking on Saturday, when the cremation took place of Flt.-Lt. Gilbert Stanbridge White, of Gilmais, Leatherhead-road, Great Bookham, who died in hospital on Tuesday of last week following an air crash, when he was testing a machine. A resident of Great Bookham for 12 years, he was proprietor of the Gilmais swimming pool and tennis courts, and very well known in the district. He was 40, and leaves a widow but no family.


    Not sure what 'semi-military honours' involves?
    Last edited by wwrsimon; 12th November 2020 at 13:37. Reason: typo
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    I can't remember the details now and I can't find them in my mail - But I think he was RAFO or something - The RAF basically said 'No Not one of ours' and the CWGC said no - I could not believe it - I even showed them he was testing an RAF plane, had RAF Service Number, was in RAFO etc was after 3rd Sept "Semi Military' and on Air Ministry Casualty list how much more official can you get

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    17.7.47: Cadet Raymond Alan Glass (19), gliding accident at 203 GS, Downhill the previous day

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...294#post154294


    Civilian Raymond VOSS () of the Civilian Technical Corps
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?qnum=52676 (Added to our RAF CWGC DB - but is not in CWGC yet)

    Circumstances of Death: (Not Recorded on CWGC ) On 2 June 1943 a welder was needed to work underneath the ramp of a landing craft in order to complete tasks considered extremely urgent due to the fact that the landing craft had to be ready in time for the convoy sailing from the Clyde to take part in the invasion of Sicily on 10 July 1943. Owing to a mechanical failure, the cause of which was never established, the ramp was suddenly released and struck Mr Voss, killing him instantly. He was awarded a posthumous commendation for gallantry by Sir Archibald Sinclair, the Secretary of State for Air.

    Death of Death 1943-06-02

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    Many may already be recorded as civilian deaths. I have submitted cadet glass to the CWGC via the IFTC projects among others including a few Rhodesian Air Askari

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    Mosquito NS829 lost 1947-05-13
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=NS829

    Sqn/Ldr SIMMONS, Peter Henry Anker - 39691 - DFC+Bar ex 107 Sqn
    Mr. F.CLIFFORD,Radio Op of British Aviation Services both being killed.
    Mosquito NS829 - The a/c was an ex 487 Sqn that was sold to Turkey. In Fairey Aircraft Ltd at Ringway, Manchester was on test for the Turkish Government. Killing both crew. According to one eye-witness, there was a flash, followed by a pall of black smoke. Fire engines were unable to get near"13.5.1947

    Probably being counted as Civilian deaths? And as an aircraft already sold to Turkey - might be out of scope?
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    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...882#post155882

    William Nathaniel Powell. Born 3/6/1926. Parents were George & Alice Powell of Linwood Road, Higher Tranmere, Birkenhead.
    A number of cadets from 1175 (Birkenhead) ATC Squadron arrived at RNAS Inskip on 11.8.45 for a week’s training. On Friday 17.8.44 Powell accompanied Sub/Lt (A) Francis H Davies RNVR of 816 Squadron on a local training flight. The aircraft was Firefly FR.1 MB688 /’G’ . The Firefly was one of a formation of four flying at 2,500 feet when it suddenly dropped out of formation and dived into a potato field at Brow Farm, Holmeswood, near Tarleton, Lancashire. The aircraft was buried deeply in the ground and both occupants were killed.
    Sub Lt F H Davies is on CWGC https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/fi...ENRY%20DAVIES/

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    Mr. F.CLIFFORD,Radio Op of British Aviation Services both being killed.

    Frank Clifford aged 23 buried Greenwich

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