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    Default FEPOW - How an RCAF W/Op Became POW in FE ?

    Hello All,
    In my FE POW investigations I have come across F M Golab who is said to be a RCAF W/Op.
    That is all I know. Golab is a Canadian Surname so the spelling is likely to be correct?
    Does anybody know what his Forenames were, what his Rank was, and what his Service Number was?
    If he was a RCAF W/Op then it is likely that a multi-crew a/c was involved? Does anybody know the circumstances surrounding this POW? Others in the crew may also have been RCAF?
    TIA
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    Default Re: Looking For Assistance As To How an RCAF W/Op Became POW in FE

    A little far from my area, Resmoroh, but for what it's worth, here's a little start of sorts.
    As usual, for possible future ref, I've shown my "working" from start to finish.

    From Stubbs & Stubbs Unsung Heroes of the RAF: the Far East Prisoners of War
    Golab FM R52053 RCAF: Unit not known, held Java, Honshu (Mukaishima)

    The R service no prefix indicates war-time Other Ranks enlistment.
    The sequence of "held" starting Java suggests taken captive at the fall of Java, at least likely.

    There's no Liberation Q'aire for him at COFEPOW, though that may not be surprising.
    He's a survivor: there are Golab WW2 war dead on CWGC, but not him.

    Now having his Japan camp, the Mansell set has him at Mukaishima, under the heading
    Hiroshima #4 Mukaishima/British (78) - arrived from Singapore ex Java
    as follows
    Golab, F.M., WO, [...service no], RCAF, unk [... unit]
    http://mansell.com/pow_resources/cam...ima_brits.html
    The Center for Research: Allied POWS Under the Japanese is a valuable source if not easy: very camp focussed.

    Anyway, an advance however small: he's
    Warrant Officer F M Golab R52053 RCAF, apparently captured on Java in 1942.

    Whether a request for service details from Canada is worth while, cannot say.
    The conditions for personnel who survived the war are restrictive, whether since deceased or still living (possible but not very likely)
    https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/transp...ary-files.aspx

    Hugh or someone else well-versed in Canadian sources may help more.

    Good luck with this one.
    Last edited by Don Clark; 13th November 2020 at 09:28.
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    Default Re: Looking For Assistance As To How an RCAF W/Op Became POW in FE

    Hello,


    MANY NATIONS REPRESENTED IN WINGS CEREMONY.

    In Manitoba. Man., June 23 - Group Captain W.D. Bonham-Carter senior air staff officer of No. 2 Training Command, Royal Canadian Air Force, presented wings to sergeant-pilot graduates of No. 10 Service Flying Training School here last Saturday. Graduates included: F. M. Golab*, Windsor.
    *
    https://rcafdauphin.blogspot.com
    See: Course No.25. April 8 - June 21, 1941.

    Hamilton Spectator, June 23, 1941

    AIR FORCE CASUALTIES.

    Ottawa, May 30 (CP)._

    GOLAB, Frank Marion, Sgt., previously missing on active service overseas now reported prisoner of war (Japan). Mrs. F. M. Golab (wife), Brandon, Man.

    Globe and Mail 31 May, 1943.

    START LAST LAP OF JOURNEY HOME - W.O. Frank Golab Among Repatriates.

    Portland, Ore., Oct. 16 - (CP) -

    Forty-seven Canadian veterans of the defence of Hong Kong passed through here yesterday en route home after nearly four years' imprisonment in a Japanese camp near Osaka.
    Accompanied by Lieut. H. M. Craig, of Vancouver, most of the men were members of the Winnipeg Grenadiers and the Royal Rifles of Canada, captured Christmas Day, 1941, after holding off Japanese troops for 16 days.
    Among the group was W.O. Frank Golab, of Ottawa, brother of Tony Golab**, of football fame. Frank was captured in Java.

    Hamilton Spectator, 16 October, 1945.

    **
    Frank Golab's brother, P/O Anthony Charles ('Tony') GOLAB RCAF, of No.225 Sqn RAF, was shot down in Spitfire VcT EF725 'X', on 8 January,1944, near San Giorgio, by a P-51 of 111th TacR Sqn. Tony Golab baled out safely, and returned to his unit on 9 January.

    Col.
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    Default Re: Looking For Assistance As To How an RCAF W/Op Became POW in FE

    Don & Col,
    Very many thanks for your advice and answers. Very much appreciated.
    I have some ‘supplementary questions’ for you (and anybody else!).
    Going through the FEPOW lists, the following RAF Stations were recorded:
    RAF Ipoh
    RAF Sungei Besi
    RAF Sungei Patami
    I have located these, but what did they do? Ipoh is mentioned in Sturtivant but mostly in connection with the later campaigns in Malaya. He makes no mention of the two ‘Sungeis’. Any clues?
    I have only found eight (so far) RAAF FE POWs. Is it possible to use https://nominal-rolls.dva.gov.au/ to extract RAAF POWs of the Japanese?
    I have only found (so far) ten RCAF FE POWs. Only two are said to come from the crew of a 413 Sqn a/c shot down SE of Ceylon (date unknown, but poss 1942-04-09?). How do I find the details of this, and other RCAF prisoners?
    And only three members of the RNZAF – on separate occasions, so there should be more? The RNZAF Museum is not answering emails, so how do I find any Kiwis who ‘went in the bag’?
    This is all in connection with an investigation project to see if it possible to put the FE Air Forces POWs into the same format as the current Euro/Africa rafcommands db. We are trying to see if the problem(s) is(are) intractable – or not!
    We have a saying in UK about cyclic, never ending, tasks; “It’s like painting the Forth Bridge”! There are answers to all these questions – it’s just finding them that is the problem!!
    Tks again, and Rgds
    Peter Davies
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    Default Re: Looking For Assistance As To How an RCAF W/Op Became POW in FE

    Quote Originally Posted by Resmoroh View Post
    I have only found (so far) ten RCAF FE POWs. Only two are said to come from the crew of a 413 Sqn a/c shot down SE of Ceylon (date unknown, but poss 1942-04-09?). How do I find the details of this, and other RCAF prisoners?
    Gotta be Birchall's Catalina 1944-04-04

    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/ins...-birchall.html


    POWs:
    S/L L J Birchall
    P/O P N Kenny
    Sgt F C Phillips
    Sgt W Cook
    Sgt B Catlin
    WO G Onyette (RCAF)

    Sgt LA Colorossi +
    Sgt I N Davidson +
    Sgt J Henzell +
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=AJ155 (Note the AIR81/13754 )

    http://www.rafcommands.com/archive/09401.php

    https://www.cfc.forces.gc.ca/259/290/405/286/rood.pdf

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    And only three members of the RNZAF – on separate occasions, so there should be more? The RNZAF Museum is not answering emails, so how do I find any Kiwis who ‘went in the bag’?
    Found this just now.

    AIR81/13571 Sergeant W J N Macintosh (RNZAF),
    Sergeant E E G Kuhn (RNZAF),
    Pilot Officer T B Marra (RNZAF),
    Pilot Officer J M Cranstone (RNZAF),
    Pilot Officer C B Wareham (RNZAF),
    Sergeant B S Wipit (RNZAF):

    missing believed prisoners of war, Far East, April 1942.
    C17206208


    Just for analysis - RNZAF airmen killed in SEAC in 1942

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    Default Re: Looking For Assistance As To How an RCAF W/Op Became POW in FE

    You're very welcome Resmoroh though I can only offer very limited assistance, my work having been focussed closely on 211 Squadron as noted on your other FEPoW thread.
    That shows pretty much all the resources I know of.

    RAAF DVA Nominal Rolls
    No FEPOW info, show only bare details of identity and service, incl posting at discharge which may or may not be right.
    For my work, mainly to get service nos for NAA file searching.

    Other than L&P Stubbs Unsung Heroes of the RAF (Barny Books 2002) roll, I don't know whether there are any other consolidated RAF FEPoW RAAF/RCAF/RNZAF rolls for Aus, Canada or NZ.

    The only AWM rolls I'm aware of relate only to AMF: that is, only the Australian Army
    Records of Australian Military Forces prisoners of war and missing, Far East and South West Pacific Islands
    https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C1380402
    Searchable, downloadable and browsable, scroll down to see listing of downloadable pdf rolls

    and again, only AMF, 2nd AIF, Army as you like...
    Second World War POWs and Missing Persons search
    https://www.awm.gov.au/advanced-search/people?roll=Second%20World%20War%20POWs%20and%20Mi ssing%20Persons
    with browsable roll displayed below Search box

    Malaya
    Ipoh Very briefly home to 453 Sqn RAAF Dec 41 and to 656 Sqn RAF post-war.
    Sungei Patani: Home to 27 Sqn RAF Aug-Dec 41
    (Jefford/RAF Squadrons)
    Sungei Besi: Aerodrome also assoc with 453 Squadron RAAF, see http://www.rafcommands.com/database/air81/index.php

    FEPoWs RAAF RCAF RNZAF
    For 211 Squadron RAF personnel overall I have, eg
    Australian RAF, RAFVR and RAAF members
    Canadian RAF and RCAF members
    New Zealand RAF, RAFVR and RNZAF Members
    (plus South Africans, Rhodesians and one or two from the USA.)

    Of these, FEPoWs as such are incl in the following rolls, incl summary info & links to whatever other info I have shown on line.
    I relied very heavily on L&P Stubbs Unsung Heroes of the RAF once I had Pam's permission, supplemented by other info as indicated in Source and other notes on the pages

    Australia RAAF:
    Foxwell CM 407148 RAAF
    Jeanes NR 406107 RAAF
    Matheson CK 283378 RAAF
    See http://www.211squadron.org/raaf_pers...ml#FESurvivors
    and
    Lewis HV 406146 RAAF †
    See http://www.211squadron.org/raaf_personnel.html#FElosses

    Canadian RCAF and RAFVR
    Cuddy AK J16295 RCAF
    Haakenson MJC J12845 RCAF
    and
    Hall WD R109174 J86784 RCAF †
    Mickleburg ET 1291207 RAFVR †
    See http://www.211squadron.org/personnel_rolls.html#RCAF

    New Zealand RAFVR
    Byrant EW 1185504 RAFVR †
    See http://www.211squadron.org/personnel_rolls.html#RNZAF

    For 211 Squadron FEPoWs overall, I have two rolls:
    For the 186 dead http://www.211squadron.org/far_east_...ml#FEPoWlosses
    For the 178 known survivors http://www.211squadron.org/far_east_...FEPoWsurvivors
    Again, the rolls incl summary info and links back to any other info on my site.

    Best wishes with this work
    Last edited by Don Clark; 15th November 2020 at 03:50. Reason: Added AWM AMF (non-RAF, non RAAF) rolls. Links check
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