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    Just had the latest newsletter from the National Archives at Kew and they say that AIR50 (combat reports) is now online and searchable. It can be found at

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/ww2aircombat.asp

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    hello,

    Does this mean that the microfilm won't be accessible, as are some documents from the WO208 and WO344 series who have been digitised ?

    Does it also mean that we will have to pay to view documents ? I travel from France to Kew several times a year, and I find it hard to swallow that I can no longer access documents while I'm in the reading room, while they used to be. I understand digitising is a very good option for those who don't/can't get to TNA, but I don't understand readers on the spot can't access the documents anymore.

    Joss

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    I just had a look and typed in Bader as a random choice. There are 9 combat reports for him and each one is 3.50!

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    I think you can get the entire microfilm on CD for 25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Ingham View Post
    I think you can get the entire microfilm on CD for 25.

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    A tad expensive if your man has only a couple of entries.

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    I thought i had all the surviving 100 Squadron reports, but alas no!! I have just found 3 more, all in a completely different Air50 file than the one i pulled my other 100 Squadron ones from a few years ago. And there's more - they seemed to be grouped by Group, for each of my 100 Squadron ones i got a good half dozen other 1 Group reports in the same pdf file. A quick 10.50 spend that was, so i think i need to investigate the Air50 reference for these files the next time i'm at the PRO and look at getting the films copied.

    I'm very excited now, and may have to have a beer to calm myself!!

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    Greg
    "You can take the boy out of Wales,
    But you can't take Wales out of the boy!!"

    Greg Harrison
    100 Squadron and 100 Squadron Association Historian
    100 Squadron Researcher 1917 - present day
    1 Group Researcher 1940 - 1945

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    It's fantastic that they are doing this.

    I've been trying to locate Combat Reports for my grandfather's (William Robert IRWIN, RAAF) service in Malta with 603 and 229 Sqdns. He has at least 7 combats during 1942 where he had recognised claims - unfortunately I can't find any evidence of them in searching.

    Still, for those that do exist, it really helps tracing an important document.

    Adrian
    Interests include Spitfires in Malta 1942 and 460 Sqdn 1943-44 (including Black Thursday)

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    Whilst an excellent addition to the NA website, I had a browse and am rather concerned about the strength of searches and the amount of errors.

    For a start, if I type '41' or '41 Squadron' into the search engine in the 'Flight/Squadron' section, both return, "No results were found...." Additionally, '41 Squadron' entered in the 'Other Keywords' section also returns no result, but just plain '41' in the 'Other Keywords' section gives me 216 documents. However, I know there are actually just over 600 Combat Reports in TNA AIR 50/18.

    As far as errors are concerned, on the 22 pages of results that I was returned (10 results per page), I found:

    Results Page 1
    "Ranger or Rangers" - It should be Ranger

    Results Page 2
    "MacAdam" - It should be McAdam
    "MacKenzie" - It should be Mackenzie

    Page 3
    "Ryder or Hyder" - It should be Ryder

    Page 4
    "Ryder, D F C" - It should be Ryder E N

    Page 6
    "Balasse, M A I" - It should be Balasse M A L

    Page 7
    "Gibbs, Peter N" - It should be Gibbs N Peter
    "Balasse, M A I" - It should be Balasse M A L (same error as above)
    "Payen, J C J" - It should be Payne J C J

    Page 8
    "Anderson, P E" - It should be Anderson R E
    "Tobbits, B E" - I think this should be Tebbit D V J, but I have created a full list of all the CR's and he doesn't have one on this date
    "Moyle, S N" - It should be Moyle C N

    Page 9
    "Gisborough" - This is actually the name of the I.O. - he didn't fly after 1916 (shot down during WWI)
    "Webster, J W" - It should be Webster J T
    "Warwick" - It should be Swanwick G W
    "Ware, R" - It should be Ware J P

    Page 10
    "Vykoukal, R" - It should be Vykoukal K J
    "Arkel, Van" - It should be Arkel J van

    Page 11
    "Robson, V J" - It should be Rossow V J

    Page 12
    "Reid, R J" - It should be Reid D J
    "Poynton, J R" - It should be Poynton T R

    Page 13
    "Monagh Ryan" - It should be Morrogh-Ryan
    "Middleman, R" - It should be Middlemiss R G
    "Meagher, P G" - It should be Meagher P E

    Page 14
    "Hugh" - It should be Hugo P H
    "Hewitt" - It should be Howitt I E
    "Hood, H M" - It should be Hood H R L
    "Hagarth, R H W" - It should be Hogarth R H W

    Page 15
    "Healy, J" - It should be Healy T W R
    "Gray, G F" - It should be Gray C F
    "Case, H O" - It should be Gaze F A O

    Page 16
    "Galitzine, P" - It should be Galitzine E V (Prince)
    "Lake, Derek S V" - It should be Rake D S V

    Page 17
    "Case" - It should be Gaze F A O
    "Warburg" - It could be either Wallens R W or Darling E V (both had vics on the date of this CR)
    "Holeman, P T" - It should be Coleman P T

    Page 18
    "Camland, R" - It should be Cambridge R F
    "Beasley, G W" - It should be Swanwick G W (How did they get Beasley out of Swanwick?!)
    "Brew, W M" - It should be Brew W A

    Page 19
    "Boret, R M" - It should be Boret R J
    "Rodiker" - It should be Bodtker
    "Blickford" - It should be Blatchford
    "Beurling, G Y" - It should be Beurling, G F

    Page 20
    "Beasley" - You have a choice; it could be Babbage, Buchanan, Bush, Marples, Ranger, Whiteford or Palmer (these are the only vics that day)
    "Austen Smith" - It should be Smith R D A

    Page 21
    "Aldridge, F T" - It should be Aldridge F J
    "Thomas" - I have no idea - you have a choice of Bennions, Boret, Lovell, Lock, Mackenzie, Morrogh-Ryan, Ryder, Shipman, Usmar and Wallens, all of whom recorded vics this day - and none of whom have the forename Thomas
    "Wallem" - It should be Wallens

    Page 22
    "MacKenzie" - It should be Mackenzie
    "Morragh-Ryan" - It should be Morrogh-Ryan
    "Ryde" - It should be Ryder

    That makes 51 errors in 216 entries - almost 25%!! Only one page in 22 had no errors....

    In addition to this, one should note that many entries have only a surname and no initials, which will create difficulties for those seeking Smiths, Browns, Jones, and the likes.

    I don't mean to pooh-pooh the whole thing - it's great that they've added this resource to the website - but buyer/researcher beware! Clearly, if you don't find a spelling, you will need to use alternatives, or try using unit numbers instead.

    I wonder if there's a way of letting the NA know about these errors?

    Steve
    41 (F) Squadron RAF at War and Peace, April 1916-March 1946
    http://brew.clients.ch/41sqnraf.htm

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    Perhaps next time the BBMF are doing London, PA 474 can do a leaflet drop on Kew.

    Stewart

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    I've just used the basic search function to search for 229 and 603 squadron combat reports. I typed the Squadron number into the 'Flight/Squadron' input box and didn't add any other restrictions. The results were 0.

    Selected the advanced search and putting the Squadron numbers into the 'other keywords' selection box brought up a number of combat reports for each Squadron, but only for 1940 and 1941 - nothing later than that.

    PS: How does the Mother Country spell the rank 'Sergeant?' Over in Oz, we (obviously) use a 'g', but I notice that the combat reports use a 'j' for the spelling.
    Last edited by AdrianR8; 8th December 2007 at 03:02.
    Interests include Spitfires in Malta 1942 and 460 Sqdn 1943-44 (including Black Thursday)

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