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    Default Re: Blenheim Mk1, 'Rita' ... possibly 45 Squadron, in Sudan, 1940

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Clark View Post
    45 Sqn OB-V remains a possibility
    OB-V was V5967 flown by Sgt. Percival, and some others were
    T2124 OB-F Sgt. Osborne
    V5991 OB-B Sgt. Tolman
    Z6180 OB-Q Sgt. Naidrett-Jays
    V6143 OB-T Sgt. Scott
    V5899 OB-U Sgt. O'Neil
    V6439 OB-Y W/C Willis
    V5948 OB-X F/Lt Dennis
    V5586 OB-C F/Lt Hughes

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    Default Re: Blenheim Mk1, 'Rita' ... possibly 45 Squadron, in Sudan, 1940

    May I request, please, the source of this information?

    With due respect, your posts usually leave out source/s: they would be the more useful not just for the topic at hand but also for future related topics.
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    Default Re: Blenheim Mk1, 'Rita' ... possibly 45 Squadron, in Sudan, 1940

    Adding to Don's posts #7 and #10, given the clarity of the letters 'V' and 'O' in img007, and then looking at img004, to my eye there is no vertical right stroke of an 'H' immediately next to the left stroke of the 'V' in the latter image, the top of which is visible just below the lowest point of the turret cutout. If so, this would eliminate 'Rita' from being an 8 Squadron aircraft.

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    Last edited by robstitt; 27th December 2020 at 00:10. Reason: Added ref to 'Rita'

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    Default Re: Blenheim Mk1, 'Rita' ... possibly 45 Squadron, in Sudan, 1940

    Thanks, Robert, well spotted re neg004 - only the a/c letter V there shown, so most unlikely to be 8 Sqn...

    In email corresp with others we'd agreed that 45 Sqn is most likely:
    Rita 45 Squadron Blenheim I of A Flight probably OB-V
    (and named akin to Little Gel of A Flight though not in the same letter style).

    When TNA access and time permits, Jeff has kindly offered to follow up some other (non-digitised) poss sources.

    The info posted by Zoran Petek #11 may, if sourced, help with that.
    Last edited by Don Clark; 26th December 2020 at 23:54.
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    Default Re: Blenheim Mk1, 'Rita' ... possibly 45 Squadron, in Sudan, 1940

    I think too that if there was an ‘H’ to the left of the ‘V’, its right vertical stroke would be visible in both img004 and img007, space obviously being at a premium, given the overlaps over the roundel.

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    Last edited by robstitt; 27th December 2020 at 00:15. Reason: Typos

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    Default Re: Blenheim Mk1, 'Rita' ... possibly 45 Squadron, in Sudan, 1940

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Clark View Post
    The info posted by Zoran Petek #11 may, if sourced, help with that.
    Compiled from 45 Sqn's Appendices AIR 27/458.

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    Default Re: Blenheim Mk1, 'Rita' ... possibly 45 Squadron, in Sudan, 1940

    I appreciate the source note, however:

    Rita as shown in post#1 photo (and the others in Sandeha's album) is plainly a Mark I Blenheim, most probably OB-V of 45 Sqn A Flight, sometime mid-late 1940.

    The OB-V listed at your post #11 is V5967.
    That is a Mark IV serial, as are all the others of your list.

    V5967 is recorded as such (Mark IV) with 55 Sqn then 45 Sqn (no dates), by Halley RAF Aircraft V1000 to V9999, W1000 to W9999 (AB 1983) and in the later 1997 T1000-V9999 edition.
    Also recorded in Jefford Flying Camels, Annex L, as V5967 Mark IV 'V' for 45 Sqn from Jun 41 to Burma Jan 1942.
    The Sqn had re-equipped with the Mark IV from very late Jan to Feb 1941.

    Blenheim Mark IV V5967 OB-V is thus certainly not Blenheim Mark I OB-V Rita .
    The re-use of a/c letters as aircraft came and went from a Sqn is quite usual.

    The Sqn's Appendices are pretty copious and I had checked them earlier without result for Jul 1940- Jan 1941.
    See Squadron Number: 45 Appendices digitised at
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/C2503093
    and under Covid lockdown, downloadable gratis on registration.

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    Last edited by Don Clark; 27th December 2020 at 09:21. Reason: amplify 45 Sqn note
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    Default Re: Blenheim Mk1, 'Rita' ... possibly 45 Squadron, in Sudan, 1940

    Likely of no value re this thread but thought these decal documents might be of interest. I note that the scheme depicted for L8612 OB-W of 45 Sqn does not feature so-called Type A1 fuselage roundels with the outer yellow ring.

    http://www.hyperscale.com/2018/revie...reviewbg_1.htm

    https://www.mn-modelar.com/1-72-bris...raf-service-1/

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    Default Re: Blenheim Mk1, 'Rita' ... possibly 45 Squadron, in Sudan, 1940

    Thanks, Rob.

    Over past decades, it took quite a while for less well known theatres, units and aircraft to get reasonably available in after-market decals.
    It's a shame then that so many are really no more than best guess, or worse, made up, from Unit to Unit. Many examples.

    If you should ever find, eg, a 211 Squadron Mark I Blenheim with codes in grey, do let me know.
    All those in red are simply flat wrong, perpetuated by repeated copying without checking to source (both AMOs and photos).
    Or a 211 Beaufighter X in SEAC markings as a/c letter M with a genuine serial.

    Then there's the diecasts: no better in markings or serials or both.
    These reproductions maybe acceptable for model fun but they are very far from being reliable as sources. Funny old world.

    And that's before even thinking about or looking for the frequent markings variations vs "the book" in the field, among the usual B+W prints of the day.
    Let alone interpreting any prints found re eg orthochrome film tones and any use (or not) of the highly effective lens filters of the day, eg the deep yellow for haze cutting.

    So you're right: markings shenanigans are, if you like, a topic for another thread, being far from the aim of Sandeha's posts and much of this thread so far.

    The aim is to find, if at all possible, an aircraft serial for Blenheim I OB-V Rita and hence her 45 Sqn history, hence if possible firm up the date & place of her inspection by the late Emperor and his son.
    Last edited by Don Clark; 27th December 2020 at 09:42.
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    Default Re: Blenheim Mk1, 'Rita' ... possibly 45 Squadron, in Sudan, 1940

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Clark View Post
    Regret to report, despite kindly replies all round, no further information on the Blenheim Mark I Rita.

    45 Sqn OB-V remains a possibility but only that, with no a/c serial match from the scant 45 Sqn a/c data to hand, while noting that Little Gel was in the common small caps style, not the cursive flourish shown by Rita.
    The date is another puzzle, re Sqn movements eg. Signed and dated might refer to the day of giving out the prints, rather than the actual (earlier) date of the event. This doesn't help re a/c id, though.

    Source
    Personal corresp with Messrs Carter, Jefford, Pitchfork plus own observation.
    Many thanks for looking, Don, and for all the correspondence. Perhaps some other young lady, like Little Gel and Rita, will turn up one day.

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