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    Default 400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

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    400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

    From Henk's List -

    UK
    POUNDER, William - Lac - 987670 - RAFVR.
    Middlesbrough ( Linthorpe ) Cemetery, Yorkshire
    DOAS, Cause ?

    From CWGC -

    UK
    AITCHISON, Hugh Graham - S/Lt(A) - HMS Sparrowhawk - RNVR.
    Wolvercote Cemetery, Oxfordshire.
    [ D H Hornet Moth - P6787 - Hatson comma Flt ].


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    Default Re: 400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

    Hello Alex

    Firstly, Merry Christmas!

    Secondly:

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    POUNDER, William - Lac - 987670 - the [Middlesbrough] North Eastern Gazette of May 3rd 1940 reported the following:

    DIED WEEK AFTER JOINING R.A.F.
    Just a week after joining the Royal Air Force, the death has occurred of Aircraftman William Pounder, of 8, Heywood Street, Middlesbrough. The official intimation to his wife states that he died from heart failure.
    Aircraftman Pounder, who was 32 years of age, was well known locally, having been at one time engaged in the insurance business. Latterly he had been employed by the Stockton Co-operative Society.
    Some five years ago he married Miss Mabel Littlefair, of Avon Street, Middlesbrough, who is left with two children.
    She had just received her first letter from him saying that he as getting on well when, within the hour, she received a telegram from his commanding officer giving the news of his death.


    Regards

    Simon
    Researching R.A.F. personnel from the North East of England

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    Default Re: 400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

    Middlesborough Daily Gazette reports William Pounder died of Heart Failure a week after joining up.

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    Default Re: 400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

    There appear to be several more casualties on this date, including:

    Hampden L4119, 61 Sqn, Hemswell:
    Fg Off Charles William Glover (Canadian)
    Plt Off Jack Ernest Anthony Friend
    Sgt Charles Frost (20) killed
    AC1 John Bell Greenall (22) killed

    Wellington P9276, 99 Sqn, Newmarket:
    Fg Off Herbert Gage Muller
    Flt Sgt John William Lewis Goldie Brent
    Plt Off Gerard Arthur Hugh Poole
    Sgt Peter Chris Cunningham
    AC1 Donald Lilley
    AC1 Michael John O'Sullivan

    Wellington IC R3154, 115 Sqn, Marham:
    Fg Off Edward Joseph Taylor Clarke
    Plt Off John Marshman

    Whitley V N1500, 102 Sqn, Driffield:
    Fg Off Kenneth Neil Gray DFC (New Zealander)
    Sgt Frederick John Bass
    Sgt John Hamilton Hopper
    AC1 Harold Buttery
    AC1 Alfred William Henry Hart

    Henley L3303, 8 BGS, Evanton:
    Sqn Ldr Wilfred John Francis Bull
    Plt Off David Wood

    Unidentified:
    Fenrik Johan Daniel Stub Ravn (Norwegian)

    Also on 30 Apr / I May:
    Crews of Wellington P9213, Whitley N1465 (total 11 men).
    Last edited by Richard Cawsey; 26th December 2020 at 14:00. Reason: edit

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    Default Re: 400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

    Hello Richard, I don't know what happened to the others that I had listed, should be IIRC some 36 names.
    Thank you for bringing them to the thread.
    Here are those additional names -

    BASS - 580902 - East Finchley Cemetery & St. Marlybone Crematorium, Middlesex.
    BUTTERY - 650521 - Dyce Old Churchyard, Aberdeenshire.
    GRAY - ( New Zealand ) - 40342 - Dyce Old Churchyard, Aberdeenshire.
    HART - 632176 - Cockett ( St. Peter) Churchyard, Glamorganshire.
    HOPPER - 518878 - Doncaster ( Rose Hill) Cemetery, Yorkshire.
    Crew of Whitley V - N1500 - 102 Sq.

    CLARKE - 39375 - Stamford Cemetery, Lincolnshire.
    MARSHMAN - 77039 - Marham ( Holy Trinity ) Churchyard, Norfolk.
    Crew of Wellington Ic - R3154 - 115 Sqn

    BELL - 565626
    HAYTER - 41289
    KELLY - 522560
    WELSH - 617385
    Crew of Hudson I - N7278 - 269 Sqn
    All Commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.

    BOWEN, James Thomas - Sgt - 515101
    BRADFORD, Ridley Lewkenor - Sqn/Ldr - 33019
    BURNETT, Eric William - Lac- 613517
    KNOWLES, Basil Elles Sharp - Sgt - 580790
    TYLER, Philip Andrew - Lac - 541348
    MORRISON, James Douglas - P/O - 41096
    Crew of Wellington Is - P9213 - 37 Sqn.
    All Commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.

    DITMAS, Patrick Harold Devereux - Cpl - 550777
    HEAYES, Cecil Robert - F/Sgt - 562741
    PEEL, Harvey Alderson - Sgt - 527531
    ROBERTSON, David - AC1c - 633753
    TOMLINSON, Leonard Frank - Sgt - 580338
    Crew of Whitley V - N1465 - 58 Sqn
    All Commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.

    FRIEND - 40818 - Stradishall ( St. Margaret ) Churchyard, Suffolk.
    FROST - 580650 - Birkenhead ( Flaybrick Hill ) Cemetery, Cheshire.
    GLOVER ( Canadian ) - 39659 - Harpswell ( St. Chad ) Churchyard, Lincolnshire.
    GREENALL - 547006 - Darlington North Cemetery, Durham.
    Crew of Hampden I - L4119 - 61 Sqn

    BULL - 32042 - Aberdeen ( Allenvale ) Cemetery, Aberdeenshire.
    WOOD - 73016 - Perth ( Jeanfield and Wellshill ) Cemetery, Perthshire.
    Crew of Henley - L3303 - 8 BGS.

    BRENT - 355953 - Plumstead Cemetery, London.
    CUNNINGHAM - 580784 - Edlesborough ( St. Mary ) Churchyard, Buckinghamshire.
    LILLEY - 631565 - Alverthorpe ( St. Paul ) Churchyard, Yorkshire
    MULLER - 39558 - Richmond Cemetery, Surrey
    O'SULLIVAN( Republic of Ireland ) - 621221 - West Row Baptist Chapelyard, Suffolk.
    POOLE - 76015 - Southend-on-sea ( Sutton Road ) Cemetery, Essex.
    Crew of Wellington Ic - P9276 - 99 Sqn

    RAVN - ( Norwegian ) - service number ?
    Crew of MF 11 - RNNAS.
    At rest in Lerwick New Cemetery, Shetland.

    Rank and first names you have already provided in post No: 4.

    Alex
    Last edited by Alex Smart; 27th December 2020 at 04:29.

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    Default Re: 400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

    Although not strictly relevant, I am struggling with the MF.11 crewman lost.
    I thought two MF.11 made it to Scotland:
    328 - shot down by "friendly" fire 2 May 40
    342 - flown to UK Apr 40
    Can anyone provide more details of the death of RAVN?

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    Default Re: 400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

    Hello Andy,
    This may not be the case as it is recorded that the crew were not injured.
    But when the Walrus a/c returned to the UK they were accompanied by a single MF.11.
    Local RAF Gladiator a/c misunderstood the situation and attacked the MF.11 causing damage.
    Perhaps it was then that this Norwegian Naval airman was injured and later died as a result of the injuries ?

    From Wikipedia
    Escape to the UK On 17 April ltns Kjos and Diesen met with RNoN Commander Gottwaldt and decided that the four aircraft had to be evacuated as fuel reserves were down to only five to six hours flying time. The British pilots' wish to return to their own units also played in on the decision. The hope and plan was for the Norwegian pilots to return as soon as possible with better aircraft and supplies. At 0330hrs the next day the Arado Ar 196 flew off first with a crew of three, making the journey to Shetland without problems and landing safely at around 0630. As the air group had only two sets of maps F.342 had to fly in formation with the two Walrus' planes. When the planes approached Orkney F.342 had straggled behind the British aircraft and was intercepted by three Gloster Gladiators from Scapa Flow. The Gladiator crews misread the situation, believing that the Norwegian biplane was chasing the two Walrus' flying boats, and began to attack the M.F 11. Luckily for the Norwegians lieutenant Diesen managed to immediately land on the water. Although their aircraft was hit by forty to fifty machine gun rounds the crew survived without injury.

    OR perhaps 328 incident was on the 1st May not the 2nd ? And that was when he was killed ?
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    Default Re: 400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

    Alex

    Another fly in this particular ointment is that the date on Ravn's gravestone is 31st May, which may be the date on which his body was recovered, or when he doi.

    DaveW

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    Default Re: 400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

    Thanks for the replies.
    After some more digging, it seems that 1 May 40 (not 2 May) was indeed the correct date of the loss of MF.11 328.
    Fenrik (Sub Lt) Johan Daniel Stub Ravn was one of the crew members. As Dave mentioned, the date on his gravestone is 31 May 1940
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...niel_stub-ravn
    which I agree may well relate to the date of recovery of his body.

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    Default Re: 400501 - Unaccounted Airmen - 01-05-1940

    The three other crew members do not seem to have been recovered ? Where would their names be memorialized ?

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