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    Hello All,
    Found some strange airframe registrations while collating some of the POWs:
    A389, 112 Sqn, Flt Lt Neville BOWKER PoW 1941-11-26
    B2553, 311 Sqn, Plt Off Josef SCERBA PoW 1941-12-28
    CP2840, 38 Sqn, Sgt Thomas Benjamin COMINS PoW 1941-07-19
    Can the Unit/Type Historians/Researchers pse give me the correct a/c serials
    TIA (there may be more!!)
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    T2553 -> B2553, 311 Sqn, Plt Off Josef SCERBA PoW 1941-12-28

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...ERBA-Josef-PoW

    Vickers Wellington Mk.IC T2553 KX-B

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    Flight Lieutenant Neville Bowker (89773) DFC, RAF

    http://raf-112-squadron.org/112sqnpersonell.html


    A389, 112 Sqn, Flt Lt Neville BOWKER PoW 1941-11-26 - I would suggest it is P-40 Tomahawk but Ax389 ???

    On the 27 December 1941 he was shot down by small arms fire when strafing, flying a Tomahawk (AN283 ? or was it AN218). The Germans took him prison again, but this time for the rest of the war. The award of a DFC was announced in October 1943, but with effect from 6 January 1942, by which time he had been promoted to Flight Lieutenant.

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    CP2840, 38 Sqn, Sgt Thomas Benjamin COMINS PoW 1941-07-19

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...n-14-15-7-1941

    "Subsequent research has shown that the serial number of Sgt Comins' Wellington IC, was T2849."

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    pS What is source for

    A389, 112 Sqn, Flt Lt Neville BOWKER PoW 1941-11-26

    Ak389 or An389 ?? coukld teh 389 be a mis ID for (note date)

    AIR81/11905 Sergeant M Milan (Free French): killed; Tomahawk AN389, Alsace Free French Flight; aircraft accident near Ras Zafarana, Egypt, 28 November 1941.

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    Paul, Hi,
    VMT your responses.
    These queries all simply fell out of the experimental Google-sheet that Jagan provided as a first step towards rationalising the RAF (and Allied, etc) POWs. This, initially, to deal only with the Europe/Med/Africa theatres of Ops (the FE POWs will, I think, be at a later stage - although some preliminary work has been done!).
    There were lots of empty cells in the first version. Many of these were missing Forenames. These were difficult to fill by spread-sheet manipulation, but could be filled by (sometime tedious) examination of AIR 78, Forces-War-Records, LG, FREEBMD, Find-My-Past, etc, etc, etc. This sort of task suits my current domestic circumstances. I was able to fill a significant number of missing Forenames. RAAF was a doddle - their https://nominal-rolls.dva.gov.au/ site is brilliant. The RAF not too easy. The RCAF and RNZAF proved to be very difficult - but Mojmir and Pavel are making great strides in this area, as is John with the RNoAF. SAAF almost impossible (I've had no response from a recent email to Liz Eshmade!).
    Then Jagan decided to introduce a Column of "Crash Site Type" into the spreadsheet. I had a version of the Google-sheet sorted by a/c registration. I started at Row 1 (A389 as it turns out!!). I then looked that airframe up in the "Database :: Aircraft Serials :: Aircraft Losses" in this forum. This tells me (mostly!!!) which category (listed by Jagan) that airframe was lost in and/or POWs taken. That category is then inserted into appropriate a/c cell(s). A somewhat tedious process - but suits me. There are 8981 a/c Regs on the Google-sheet. I'm currently down to 1091. Filling in the rest should keep me off the streets (barring local Pox lock-downs!!) for a bit!!! Again, some anomalies have arisen. There are a significant number of instances where the combined Casualty/POW/Evader/Safe numbers don't add up to the normal crew of that type of a/c!! (I think the biggest one was a Main Force Lanc with 12 onboard, and a supposed Mosquito with 3 onboard!!). All these problems might need to be sorted out before any serious statistical research work is undertaken.
    So ---- I will enter your new data into the correct cells. Thankyou! Join the club!
    HTH/TIA
    Peter Davies
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    Default Re: Airframe Registration Errors

    Peter/Paul

    According to ABS it was Tomahawk AK389 that SIG at Ras Zafagata on 28/11/41. Unit is recorded as 'FF Flight' which the glossary defines as 'Ferry Flight' or 'Fighter Flight', but the initials could derive from 'Free French Fighter Flight' perhaps. No connection with 112S though as far as I can see.

    The serial Paul dug out, AN389, is recorded as going direct to Turkey 4 Jan 1942 with no other placement.

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    OK - let's look at it through the other end of the telescope. Perhaps that a/c s/n has more than one digit error?
    Flt Lt Neville BOWKER (89773) is on 112 Sqn and is taken POW 1941-11-26. Six weeks later (1942-01-06) he is awarded a DFC. Is the award of the DFC connected to the action in which he became POW? If so then there might be some mention in the Citation and/or his POW questionnaire. Does anybody have access to either, and can check?
    TIA
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    I suspect the A389 reference is completely wrong and maybe confused with incident 2 days later on Tomahawk AK389 that SIG at Ras Zafagata on 28/11/41

    BOWKER was either probably on AN283 or AN218

    https://translate.google.com/transla...search&pto=aue

    Prob not AN283 based on dates

    http://raf-112-squadron.org/raf_kittyhawK_codes.html

    maybe AN218 'Menance' -> http://raf-112-squadron.org/raf_kittyhawK_codes.html

    AM389 went to RAAF

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    Nelson touch with the telescope - raised to a blind eye.

    Squadron ORB shows Bowker (sic) flying on 26th, 29th and 30th Nov 1941 morning before being shot up in AN303 in the evening and crashing, uninjured at 122 LG.

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