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    Default Only 8930 to go!

    Unaccounted dips below 9000!

    113425 records (92.70%) are "Accounted for".

    8932 records (7.30%) are still "Unaccounted".


    6941 are unaccounted upto 31st August 1945 , thats 5.8% unaccounted out of 118720

    Year 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 1946 1947
    Total Records 689 6887 13016 21391 29782 33061 13727 2385 1419
    Accounted 677 (98.26%) 6576 (95.48%) 12367 (95.01%) 20180 (94.34%) 28293 (95.00%) 31160 (94.25%) 11814 (86.06%) 1494 (62.64%) 865 (60.96%)
    Unaccounted 12 (1.74%) 311 (4.52%) 649 (4.99%) 1211 (5.66%) 1489 (5.00%) 1901 (5.75%) 1913 (13.94%) 891 (37.36%) 554 (39.04%)

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    Default Re: CWGC WW2 Air Forces Database (114400+ / 93% Done!) Only 7,800 to go!

    Last year http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...148#post146148
    This was the status
    100063 records (81.78%) have circumstances of death.
    22294 records (18.22%) do not have details.

    Two years into this project, we are at
    114,580 records (93.59%) are "Accounted for".
    7,854 are still unaccounted. (6.41%)

    So the past year, we made updates to 14,440 entries, bringing us much closer to the end.

    A shout out to member Jon Hayworth, who helped us knock out nearly 3000 of this year's updates.

    We have almost reached a point where it is like squeezing blood out of water. There are still 4000 unaccounted airmen from England, perhaps someone hit the lottery and pays for the death certificates, we can get this pretty close to 98% done? :-)




    Year 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 1946 1947
    Total Records 689 6887 13036 21407 29805 33069 13730 2390 1421
    Accounted 688 (99.85%) 6589 (95.67%) 12382 (94.98%) 20365 (95.13%) 28479 (95.55%) 31458 (95.13%) 12119 (88.27%) 1589 (66.49%) 911 (64.11%)
    Unaccounted 1 (0.15%) 298 (4.33%) 654 (5.02%) 1042 (4.87%) 1326 (4.45%) 1611 (4.87%) 1611 (11.73%) 801 (33.51%) 510 (35.89%)


    We are just 1729 records away from reaching 95%
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    Default Re: CWGC WW2 Air Forces Database (114400+ / 93% Done!) Only 7,800 to go!

    This week I implemented a (hidden) search feature in our CWGC DB.. thought I would socialize it here

    This will allow you to simply take the CWGC UID number and query my site..

    Eg: the CWGC Site, you take the bold/italics part
    https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1536592/NORMAN%20STERLING%20EWART/


    And append it to the RAF Commands URL
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/wardead/details.php?qnum=1536592


    Ofcourse going from the RAFCommands page to CWGC is always easier - just click the Icon..

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    Default The WW2 Accounted Airmen Coverage is now at 95% - Thanks Jon!

    I had to call out one milestone that we crossed today.

    The current number of Accounted Airmen in our CWGC based DB has crossed 95% Completion!

    In October 2020 we were at:

    114,580 records (93.59%) are "Accounted for". 7,854 are still unaccounted. (6.41%)


    Since then, it has been like pulling teeth, but pretty much it was Jon Heyworth who has been carrying out slog on a daily basis. Having dug up excess of 1600 (if not 1700) entries to help us cross the 95% Accounted Milestone

    And on the side many other entries have been improved 'qualitatively' .. thats another story.. Great work Jon!

    Now only 6100 airmen left!

    Year 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 1946 1947
    Total Records 689 6887 13035 21407 29805 33069 13730 2390 1422
    Accounted 688 (99.85%) 6657 (96.66%) 12538 (96.19%) 20609 (96.27%) 28835 (96.75%) 31868 (96.37%) 12458 (90.74%) 1713 (71.67%) 968 (68.07%)
    Unaccounted 1 (0.15%) 230 (3.34%) 497 (3.81%) 798 (3.73%) 970 (3.25%) 1201 (3.63%) 1272 (9.26%) 677 (28.33%) 454 (31.93%)


    Most Unaccounted by Country

    Region Total Casualties Unaccounted
    United Kingdom 52045 3239 (6.22%)
    India 2069 978 (47.27%)
    Egypt 5086 366 (7.20%)
    Iraq 300 156 (52.00%)
    Italy 2461 154 (6.26%)
    Singapore 3127 131 (4.19%)

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    Default Re: The Unaccounted Project - Final Stretch Updates by Jon Heyworth

    The next question is, what do people think should happen with the British airmen for whom I KNOW there are no records of cause of death other than obtaining a GRO Death certificate. The majority of these are 1945 to 1947 but there is a spread across all years. Should these be left blank ? Should there be an entry of The style of : " died post discharge of service related causes and no details are available unless a GRO Death certificate is purchased " ?

    if you add any entry in that style currently, they are "poorly accounted and lost in the system " ( These ones give me the biggest headache where I'll go through a block, finish it, then find an extra half a dozen men have no real cause of death) For example Iraq since April had dropped from 60 unaccounted to 37 unaccounted RAF Airmen , but Heasman, Marsh and Mitchell still have no real cause of death

    Thats only 3 but I suspect there's 10 -15 percent like that in say the U.K. Taking one town as an example, Cardiff . There are 135 burials of all nationalities of Airmen and Women, there are only 4 unaccounted :

    Williams, October 1945 , Grainger, February 1946 , Webber, June 1946 and Symons, April 1947. These all died post discharge and there is no records of how other than by DC. In the "poorly or partially accounted category

    then for example, you have Percy who died in January 1947 Griffiths who died in November 1946 both of whom have no entry other than possibly dying in hospital. They died post discharge too and their actual cause of death is also currently also unobtainable

    so if that's done you almost need a 3rd category In a search facility : Accounted, unaccounted and unaccountable without the DC, the latter two categories still coming up in a search facility for them
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    Default Re: The Unaccounted Project - Final Stretch Updates by Jon Heyworth

    I like “ Should there be an entry of The style of : " died post discharge of service related causes and no details are available unless a GRO Death certificate is purchased " as it may encourage people to purchase said dearth certificate

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    Default Re: The Unaccounted Project - Final Stretch Updates by Jon Heyworth

    Quote Originally Posted by paulmcmillan View Post
    I like Should there be an entry of The style of : " died post discharge of service related causes and no details are available unless a GRO Death certificate is purchased " as it may encourage people to purchase said dearth certificate
    Thanks Paul, do you think ( If it can be done, as I'm no Jagan like whizz kid ) that it should still be traceable and not classed as " accounted "

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    Default Re: The Unaccounted Project - Final Stretch Updates by Jon Heyworth

    From a technical perspective, we can do anything . Show it as "Unaccounted" , or "Poorly Accounted" etc we can figure that out. Today we show the accounted in a green box, and the unaccounted in a red tinged box.. we can show it in any other colour. I like the idea of 'Partially Accounted For' and maybe show it in 'Yellow' tint?

    What i would love to do is to give option for visitors to 'Claim' an unaccounted record and they would go and get the GRO Death Certificate an report it back. then we can update it . (This would prevent multiple people from trying to buy the same DC). Call it "Sponsor a DC" scheme..

    There are 3013 Unaccounted from UK for all years - and 1250 of these are from the years 1945,46,47.. Are these more likely to yield a cause of death in the DC?

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    Default Re: The Unaccounted Project - Final Stretch Updates by Jon Heyworth

    Hi Jagan ,

    I probably have at least 500 from various years that I know there’s no record of other than a DC . Mainly 45/46/47. The question is going to crop up at some point when all other avenues are exhausted . One possibility I’ve not explored yet is local hospital records to see if they can fill in some of these blanks , but if they do, I can’t pretend to visit every country archive in the UK , it would need people doing it locally and. even then wouldn’t pick up those who died at home of war related causes after being discharged from the RAF.

    It may be useful though , for example : someone’s local cemetery they are interested in, may have just one or two airmen unaccounted and if it’s known there’s no other way than a DC, then maybe people would decide to get and share
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    Default Re: The Unaccounted Project - Final Stretch Updates by Jon Heyworth

    Looking at John Thomas GAZE 1414309

    We have the following

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?qnum=16289

    Invalided out of the RAF, he died in Pontypridd hospital following a long illness - Now we know he died in Hospital and of an unknown illness - It would be great to know exactly what illness - but equally it i good to know general circumstances ILLNESS - i.e. not RTA, not other Accident, not plane crash, nor suicide, homicide nor KIA etc etc - his death is not entirely unknown, but exact cause ir not known. If you went down any filtering - I would suggest targeting the unknowns unknowns rather than the known unknowns first..

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