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    Default Form 543 Abbreviation Query on R.D.U. and Time Forfeited-was he always in trouble?

    I am struggling to work out what my airman got up to between 25.2.1941 and 20.1.1942.
    I have spent an entire afternoon trying to find out how to load images up but have failed.

    At the various postings section he has a first entry
    25.2.1941

    1 RC or possibly IRC. Is this 1 Receiving Centre or Initial Receiving Centre


    Then he was sent to the Reserves 26.2.1941



    He was ACH/W.OP but ended up as a cook throughout the war.

    Then another entry on 12.8.1941


    R.D.U. Blackpool, 10 (S) R.C., Reason H - Home Service
    R.D.U.
    Then another entry on 27.9.41

    16 R.C. Reason D.D. H Is this Radio or Radar Detection Unit? Home Service but DD?

    Then another entry on 25.11.41

    Sta, Hyton Reason H H Home Service


    He also seemed to be a bit of a problem.

    UNDER TIME FORFEITED
    12 DAYS CLOSE ARREST - that is quite clear


    REMISSION -15 DAYS - No idea what this means

    REMITTED 50 DAYS - No idea what this means

    AWARDED DETENTION 117 DAYS - No idea what this means


    Any help or ideas will be received with thanks. I can email images if anyone wants.

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    Default Re: Form 543 Abbreviation Query on R.D.U. and Time Forfeited-was he always in trouble

    Hi Peter
    You can upload pics directly to forum pages using a Photo Hosting site such as Flickr (I use Imgur as I find it easier)
    With Imgur you can just copy and paste the BB Code directly onto the thread page.

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    Default Re: Form 543 Abbreviation Query on R.D.U. and Time Forfeited-was he always in trouble

    I cannot help too much with your queries but the 117 days detention is straight forward enough - he was locked up for 117 days,probably at a detention centre rather than his home base.
    The remission MIGHT have been time off for good behaviour or perhaps for time already served locally on punishment but I do not know for sure - service terminology might differ from civvy prison.

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    Default Re: Form 543 Abbreviation Query on R.D.U. and Time Forfeited-was he always in trouble

    Hi

    1 RC = No 1 Recruit Centre

    RDU = Recruit Distribution Unit

    He clearly failed the course as a WOp at 10 (Signals) Recruit Centre so was remustered as a Cook at 16 Recruit Centre after having been re-assessed at RDU

    Malcolm

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    Default Re: Form 543 Abbreviation Query on R.D.U. and Time Forfeited-was he always in trouble

    Quote Originally Posted by bvs View Post
    I cannot help too much with your queries but the 117 days detention is straight forward enough - he was locked up for 117 days,probably at a detention centre rather than his home base.
    The remission MIGHT have been time off for good behaviour or perhaps for time already served locally on punishment but I do not know for sure - service terminology might differ from civvy prison.

    Thanks apparently he was in trouble quite a bit and at one stage slugged a Fl/Lt and hit him over a table. Causing much grief. His wife did not understand why his pay stopped and thought he had been killed. I presume his pay was docked when in detention as he was non-effective.

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    Default Re: Form 543 Abbreviation Query on R.D.U. and Time Forfeited-was he always in trouble

    Thanks for that. Yes he wrote in a letter home that he found the radio impossible to master!

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    Default Re: Form 543 Abbreviation Query on R.D.U. and Time Forfeited-was he always in trouble

    Sounds like a bad lad Peter :)
    I guessed with that number of days it would have involved violence or thievery.
    117 days sounds a lot - was he actually court martialled ?

    My experience of military discipline is fairly limited,I was in the RAF as a techie 1970-83 and the majority of offences committed were fairly minor,if one was 'charged' then it entailed being marched into the Flight Commanders office to be 'awarded' (say) 3 - 14 days 'Jankers' AKA (CC/Restrictions) I think a Flight Commander was limited to 14 days punishment.
    For something slightly more serious the Guilty (sorry - accused :) ) could be referred to the Sqn Commander who could award a longer punishment (cannot remember how many days).
    Any serious offenders would end up in front of the Station Commander who could give an even longer punishment (maybe up to 2 months ??)
    One of our engine mechanics on the Canberra OCU was a silly boy and ended up before the Station Cdr,I was given the job of escorting him down to a holiday (1or 2 months) at the Regional Detention Centre (I think that was the unit title) at RAF Wyton,where Bob (who was not too bright) was told to pick up his bags and follow the RAF Snowdrop Cpl (with a slashed peak of course) - Bob said ''OK Mate'' - he got a bellow in reply ''Address Me as Staff'' Bob followed him into the building and goodbye to any chance of future promotion.
    Bob had a Transit Van and used a Canberra Starter Cartridge box for storing tools,but he had not painted over the explosive markings LOL,he had left the van parked carelessly in Oakham and a Plod noticed the box through a back window,a subsequent search also revealed a Canberra Navigators Anglepoise Lamp along with other 'Crows Foot' marked items.
    Sorry about the thread drift but thinking about RAF Disciplinary Procedures reminded me of that little journey in 1973 ish.

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    Default Re: Form 543 Abbreviation Query on R.D.U. and Time Forfeited-was he always in trouble

    Interesting story. Did he get dismissed the service?

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    Default Re: Form 543 Abbreviation Query on R.D.U. and Time Forfeited-was he always in trouble

    It turns out that he was well known for using his fists and slugged a Fl/Lt which is where I presume he got the sentence for.

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    Default Re: Form 543 Abbreviation Query on R.D.U. and Time Forfeited-was he always in trouble

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Garwood View Post
    Interesting story. Did he get dismissed the service?
    No I am fairly sure he came back to us after his holiday,but with that on his record there was no chance of promotion or 'signing on'.
    His rank was SAC (Senior Aircraftman) - to advance in the technical trades at that time one had to go on a 'Fitters Course' to be promoted to J/T (Junior Technician),the salary for J/T's at the time was quite good,much better than SAC salary.

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