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    Default Audax K5215 and Oxford P1852 - Which units in 1941?

    I was looking at the IWM film in the link below and spotted the Audax diving on what looked like a target at around 6:19 minutes in. The unit with the Oxford is also of interest.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ect/1060005932

    The film is said to be from 1941 and I have nothing in my library that might help identify the unit or units.

    The Audax is K5215
    The Oxford is P1852 (I think) - Other examples are in the film.

    Interestingly there is an earth covered Lamella hangar at 5:38.

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    Default Re: Audax K5215 and Oxford P1852 - Which units in 1941?

    PNK

    The Oxford at 10.37 is P1862, I reckon.

    The Air Britain Oxford, Consul & Ensign File has: P1862 (HH) of 11 S.F.T.S. 6.11.39 > 11 (P) A.F.U.; dived into ground on attempted approach at night at Wheaton Aston, 23.5.42; DBF.

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    Default Re: Audax K5215 and Oxford P1852 - Which units in 1941?

    The background scenery of the Oxford clips is almost certainly Shawbury. An unidentified 11 SFTS Oxford coded ‘JJ’ can also be seen.
    Some more clips can be seen here :- https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ect/1060005940
    in which P8965 ‘RR’, and N6295 ‘T’ can be seen, and an unidentified ‘NN’.
    Superb films of a rarely photographed unit – made my day!
    Thanks Peter.
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    Default Re: Audax K5215 and Oxford P1852 - Which units in 1941?

    Those were quick answers. I don't suppose the Audax section was at Shawbury as well? There can't have been many still flying at that time.

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    Default Re: Audax K5215 and Oxford P1852 - Which units in 1941?

    From James Halley's "The K File":
    "Audax I, built by Bristols, Filton to Contract 389426/35.
    K5215.
    Delivered to 11 FTS 13.2.36; overshot formation landing, braked and tipped up, Wittering, 15.2.38; Repaired on Site;
    engine cut; damaged in heavy landing and hit trees, Ellerton Hall, Newport, Salop., 9.1.39: ROS;
    9 FTS 16.7.40. Crashed on landing Hullavington 25.10.40; Rollasons 31.10.40 SOC 1.4.41."


    Judging from "RAF Tarining And Suppoert Units since 1912"...
    No.9 Flying Training School was located at Hullavington from July 1937, with various Relief Landing Grounds.
    In May 1940 the intended establishment was 45 Harvards and 63 Ansons. Insufficient Harvards available, so used Hart, Audak and Fury instead.

    Hope this helps, Freshman

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    Default Re: Audax K5215 and Oxford P1852 - Which units in 1941?

    The Audax was likely to have been at Shawbury too; with 11 FTS. This a/c was involved in a crash at Ellerton Hall, Newport, Salop in 1939 . 11 FTS were at Shawbury from 16.5.38, became a twin engine school 6.40.

    The K File says:

    K5215 11 FTS 13.3.36; overshot formation landing, braked and tipped up, Wittering 1.7.37; ROS; engine cut; overshot landing and hit trees Ellerton Hall, Newport, Salop 9.1.39, ROS; 9 FTS 16.7.40, crashed on landing Hullavington 25.10.40; Rollasons 31.10.40; SOC 1.4.41.

    K File & Flying Training & Support Units since 1912, Sturtivant/ Hamlin, Air Britain

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    Default Re: Audax K5215 and Oxford P1852 - Which units in 1941?

    Many thanks chaps. Looks like the IWM date assigned to the film is a bit off but then again most things for public consumption were delayed by many months. I now need to find out where that field was and if it was a target or just a haystack. Isn't lockdown fun!

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