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    Hi,
    Any info on the early RAF HARVARD Losses ?
    Reasons for loss and crew names and fate ?
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    N7000 cr 16-2-1939
    N7019 cr 28-04-1939
    N7074 cr 11-09-1939
    N7105 cr in sea 12-09-1939
    N7139 cr 17-09-1939
    N7197 cr 22-09-1939
    P5791 collision with P5792 23-09-1939
    N7067 cr 24-09-1939
    N7086 hit Oxford N4786 28-09-1939

    Thanks
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    G'day Alex

    Here's what I extracted from Air Britain's Royal Air Force Aircraft N1000 N9999

    N7000 cr 16-2-1939
    AAEE (Aeroplane & Armament Experimental Establsihment)
    Dived into ground , Eyke

    N7019 cr 28-04-1939
    No. 10 FTS
    Crashed in forced landing , Gailey, Staffs.

    N7074 cr 11-09-1939
    No. 1 FTS
    Spun into ground, Oare Hill, Marlborough, Wilts.

    N7105 cr in sea 12-09-1939
    No. 10 FTS
    Spun into sea off Pwllheli, Caernarvonshire

    N7139 cr 17-09-1939
    No. 2 FTS
    Crashed on take-off, Brize Norton
    N7197 cr 22-09-1939

    N7067 cr 24-09-1939
    Grantham
    Spun into ground out of cloud, Newton, Lincs

    N7086 hit Oxford N4786 28-09-1939
    No. 15 FTS
    Hit Oxford N4786 on take-off, Lossiemouth

    Oxford N4786
    No. 15 FTS
    Hit while parked by Harvard N7086 taking-off, Lossiemouth

    Cheers...Chris

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    N7000 cr 16-2-1939

    Crew: N7000 Sqn Leader Robert Travers Cazalet aged 27 and passenger Richard Peter Alston (Scientific Officer) Killed

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    Hi Alex,

    N7019 was piloted by Acting P/O Harvey - no initials i'm afraid.
    and it came down at Gailey Cross Roads.

    N7105 was piloted by F/Lt J P Marriott and Acting P/O A G Whitehead both killed. They were flying from the detachment at Penhros.

    Tom

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    N7074 was discussed here recently
    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13689

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    Alex,

    P5791 collision with P5792 23-09-1939 already discussed on your earlier thread at:

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/search.php?searchid=37761

    Entry in my first volume of 'For Your Tomorrow' for N7105:

    Tue 12 Sep 1939
    Training Command
    Instruction on quarter attacks
    10 Service Flying Training School, RAF (Tern Hill, Shropshire; detachment at Penrhos, Caernarvonshire - 23 Group)
    Harvard I N7105 - piloted by instructor Flt Lt J P Marriott, RAF. In carrying out an attack at 1420 on a towed target at 1200-1300 feet N7105 turned to starboard then tightly to port. In executing the latter manúuvre the Harvard side slipped, rolled over and spun into the sea off Pwllheli, Caernarvonshire. Both pilots are buried at Llanengan, Caernarvonshire.
    Pilot: 41764 Plt Off Alan George WHITEHEAD, RAF - Age 22. 147hrs.

    Errol

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    The Times of Sat Feb 18th 1939 has the following details on the crash of N7000 on 16th Feb 1939


    "An anti-spin parachute, designed to assist pilots to regain control of aeroplanes in a spin,
    was described at the inquest, held at Martlesham, near Ipswich, yesterday, on the bodies of
    Squadron Leader Robert Travers Cazalet, RAF, 27 and his passenger, Richard Peter Alston, 32
    of Windlesham, Surrey a scientific officer attached to the RAF Establishment at Farnborough,
    Hants who were killed when one of the new North American Harvard trainers crashed and took
    fire at Eyke, near Ipswich on Thursday. They had flown from Farnborough to test the aero-
    plane, which had been in use for about eight weeks.

    Squadron Leader S. W. D. Colls, of the RAF Station Martlesham Haeth, said that before
    Squadron Leader Cazalet took off he showed him the controls of the anti-spin parachute.
    Cazalet remarked: "I shall not need that as I am not going to spin the machine." The
    parachute was to assist a pilot who dropped into a spin to regain control of the machine.

    Pilot Officer W. J. Carr said that the machine had been flown continuously while at
    Martlesham and had not shown any faults. The flight was specially to enable the scientific
    offier to give his opinion of the aeroplane

    Describing the crash Superintendent C.F. Quarm of the RAC, Ipswich, a former member of the
    Royal Flying Corps, said that when the aeroplane was 3,000 ft up, it got into a flat spin.
    It did six spins and then straighted out, but it got into another spin, and this time the
    pilot could not regain control.

    Medical evidence was that both men were killed instantly.

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    Hello,

    Many thanks for your replies , most welcome info.

    I beleive that it just leaves unanswered the details and aircrew of N7197 and N7139.

    All the very best
    Thanks
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    Have a crewman for Harvard I N7197 20.09.39 - don't know if flying solo

    Pembroke I, Special Flight Training School (SFTS) No 1, RAF Netheravon, air crash in Harvard during night flight at Netheravon.

    HEYBURN, Ronald E, Leading Airman, P/JX 136953, killed

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    N7067 crashed September 24, 1939
    RAF Grantham (Spittlegate)
    Spun into ground out of cloud, Newton, Lincs

    Pilot F/O W S Pryde and LAC A B Hayes of the station flight, both killed.

    Ian

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