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    Hi all,

    I am trying to sort out British personnel serving with 311 Czechoslovak Bomber Squadron, most of them in 1940-41.
    From different sources - books, diarys, ORB, etc. I have collect at all 38 names but in some cases I am not able to find necessary details.
    Here is the list withy some "mysterious names" anad I will be very thankful for any more details. I have tried LG but in some cases withou any hit...

    Surname - First names - Number - Rank - Nationality/Force - Trade

    GORDON - ?? - ?? - F/Sgt - ?? - WOP instructor
    JAFFE - Herbet Maurice - 104 789 - P/O - ?
    KIRBY-GREEN - Thomas Gresham - 39 103 - F/Lt - NZ??UK?/RNZAF - Pilot Instructor
    MORRISON - W??? C??? - ?? - P/O - ?? - AG instructor (in 09/41, 03/42 left for 57 Sq, DFC at 57)
    PLANT - Jack Leslie - 936 795 109 261 - Sgt - ?? - ??
    POWELL - F?? J?? or O?? G??? - ?? - S/L - ?? - Administrative Officer
    ROGERS - ?? - ?? - P/O - ???- AG instructor
    SAMUELS - L??? or B ??? -?? S/L - ?? - Pilot instructor, B Flight CO DFC later
    SANUBS - H?? P??? - ?? - S/L - ?? - A flight CO DFC later
    STRATTON - John Beehan Gunnel - 78 757 - P/O - ?? - Gunnery Officer
    MACMAHON F/O ???
    WHITBREAD P/O ???
    GRAINGERF or GRAINGERT P/O ???
    MACNICOL or MCNICOL F/Lt Adjutant ???
    Menassia P/O ???
    ROBINSON P/O Supply Officer ???
    BOMAN F/Lt Intelligence Officer ???

    Any help much appreciated

    TIA

    Pavel
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    Thomas Gresham KIRBY-GREEN (39103), was shotdown with 40 Squadron in 1941. He was one of the 50 murdered after the Great Escape

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    Thanks Amrit but still I am not able to confirm his nationality...

    It is quite strange that he was flying with 311 Sq and finally got killed on territory of former Czechoslovakia...

    Pavel
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    "KIRBY-GREEN - Thomas Gresham - 39 103 - F/Lt - NZ??UK?/RNZAF - Pilot Instructor"

    Pavel,

    No one of the above surname served in the RNZAF during WWII.

    Not in your list is:

    (From C M Hanson's 'By Such Deeds - Honours and awards in the Royal New Zealand Air Force, 1923-1999'):

    BABER, Flight Lieutenant Thomas James Desmond, mid, Czech Medal for Bravery. NZ39857; Born Napier, 23 Sep 1918; RNZAF 20 Oct 1939 to (kao) 12 Mar 1942; Air Gunner.
    Citation Mention in Despatches (NY1942): For distinguished service. For service with 75(NZ)Sqn RAF (Wellington).
    Citation Czech Medal for Bravery (3 Jan 1942): Not available. The following letter gives the background to this award:
    “President of the Czechoslovak Republic, Chancellery, 9 Grosvenor Place, LONDON, SW1, 26 November 1941.
    Dear Mr Dunbar,
    The Czechoslovak Minister of National Defence has the intention of proposing to the President of the Czechoslovak Republic that Flt Lt T J D Baber, RNZAF should be decorated with the Czechoslovak Medal for Bravery.
    This British officer is attached to Czechoslovak Squadron 311 as instructor in aerial gunnery. From the beginning he has shown great interest in the activity of the Squadron and has voluntarily taken part in three operational flights, the last of which was especially difficult owing to bad weather and strong icing.
    I am writing this to enquire whether the proposed measure will meet with the approval of His Majesty’s Government and remain,
    Sincerely yours [Sgd] J. Sejnoha, Chief of Protocol.
    Robert Dunbar Esq., MC., Foreign Office, LONDON.”
    Flt Lt Baber was one of the first two RNZAF air gunners commissioned. His targets whilst with 75 Sqn included - Cologne, Berlin, Mannheim, Duisburg, Hamm, Essen, Krefeld, Dusseldorf, Hanover, Bottrop, Wesel, Leipzig, Gelsenkirchen, Wilhelmshaven, Bremen, Le Havre, Brest, Lorient, Boulogne, the docks at Ostend and Antwerp, Soesterberg airfield in Holland and the dropping of incendiaries on the Black Forest. With 311 Sqn he attacked Nuremberg, Hamburg, Aachen, Wilhelmshaven, Turin and Brest. He completed 32 sorties with 75(NZ)Sqn RAF and seven with 311(Czech)Sqn RAF. Kao Kiel, Germany, 12 Mar 1942 with 75(NZ)Sqn RAF (Wellington) on his 39th sortie. No known grave. Commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

    Errol

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    Many thanks for great info Errol!
    Baber is not on my list as I have enough info about him.
    In my post there is only selection from the whole list and only airmen where I have lack of information.


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    Hi Pavel
    On http://www.elsham.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/gt_esc/ Kirby-Green's nationality is given as British
    Regards
    Dick

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    Using the http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

    engine, I think Kirby-Green might be

    Births Mar 1922 (First Quarter 1922)
    Kirby Thomas G Green Edmonton 3a 1045

    Green was his mothers maiden name, before she married. This may be him meaning he was born in Edmonton district, The district Edmonton spans the boundaries of the counties of Essex, Hertfordshire and Middlesex.

    regards

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    Gazette Issue 35963 published on the 30 March 1943. Page 6 of 8
    ADMINISTRATIVE AND SPECIAL DUTIES BRANCH.
    The undermentioned are granted the rank of
    Sqn. Ldr. (war subs.): —
    Sqn. Ldrs. (temp.): —
    F. J. POWELL, M.C. (74207). 2nd Dec. 1942.

    Gazette Issue 34996 published on the 19 November 1940. Page 13 of 48
    Frederick James POWELL, M.C. (74207).

    If you search for F. J. Powell in the Flight magazine archive you will see he likely was awarded his MC in the First World War and ended his service in 1930, but clearly was reenlilsted in 1940.

    The name is too indistinct to pick out a man from the births in England and Wales.
    Dennis Burke
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    Hi Dennis,

    many thanks for your help. I do not know why I was unable to find Powell in LG...
    Anyway it is little confusing to me as according to my sources:

    1) S/L F. J. Powell was at 311 Sq from 12.12.40 ... and there is no info in LG he was S/L at this time...
    2) in the 311 Sq ORB there is mentioned also F/Lt O. G. Powell posted to 311 Sq in Aug 1941...

    Any ideas?

    TIA

    Pavel
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    Hi Pavel,

    Not much, but you may not have this:

    From ancestry's deaths 1984-2005 - Herbert Maurice A Jaffe born 27th February 1902 and passed away October 1986 in Brighton. He doesn't appear to have been born in England or Wales though, but there is a Jaffe still living in the Brighton area, so could be worth following up? You can get their address or phone number off BT phone book.

    Cheers, Tom

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