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    Hello All,

    This is all I was given in that SL3 Nom Roll:-

    82767 F/Lt. Ogilvie J.M.M.

    I thought he would be easy, but after an hour of staring at the LG on my screen my concentration’s gone! The Number doesn’t get me anywhere (I assume it’s an RAF number, and not allied AFs?). There are a lot(!) of Ogilvie’s. And the J M M can be a bit of a ‘bear-trap’! This NR has a very frequent (irregular!) habit of tacking a third forename initial on to an ordinary dual-forename name!!! Most confusing!

    No hurry, but it might be an excuse not to mow the lawn?

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    Peter

    I think this is the V. Ogilvie in the P.o.W. database on here:

    Flt Lt V OGILVIE (82161) Belgian, P.o.W. No. 706

    Using that Service Number, Google gives us:

    https://www.battleofbritain1940.net/.../pilots-ao.php

    ORTMANS, P/O V. M. M. 82161 Belgian. 229 Squadron. Captured and made POW October 21st 1941.

    Some typo that, mind!

    Victor Marcel Maurice Ortmans, details here: http://www.rafcommands.com/archive/06102.php

    And also: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...aurice-ortmans

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    Hi,

    https://www.tracesofwar.com/persons/...el-Maurice.htm

    Victor Ortmans, also known as Victor Ogilvie, was born in London...

    Regards

    Mojmir

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    Mojmir,
    Tks. Just read that clip. Fascinating. So where did his use of aka OGILVIE come from? Perhaps best we don't delve too deeply into his family history!!!!
    Never a dull moment!!
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    Thanks Mojmir

    That explains the name mix-up - I did wonder how they got from Ortmans to Ogilvie!

    Maybe a nom de guerre to protect relatives in Belgium? I did wonder if it was his mother's maiden name, but that was Dartois according to FreeBMD.

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    Hello

    "Vicky" ORTMANS flew operationnally with 609 Squadron, during the summer of 1941, until he eventually became a PoW with the Squadron, rescued from the Channel by a German vessel. The third time he came down "in the drink". Another pilot he briefly served with was Canadian Keith "Skeets" OGILVIE, himself captured in early July 1941. But from my experience with alias used by pilots from occupied countries, they usually chose their alias at the time of joining up / training, not when posted to an operational front line Squadron.

    "Skeets" OGILVIE was also in Stalag Luft 3 Sagan, he was the next one who should have exited the tunnel during the great escape.

    "Vicky"'s brother Christian also served with 609, and was later MIA/KIA in Burma. One of "Vicky"'s legacy to 609 Squadron history is personified by this Squadron's most famous mascot, "Billy the goat", that was given to Vicky by some pub owners, near Biggin Hill. This animal grew up, rose up through the ranks, until VE-Day.

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