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    At the start of June I decided to see if I could get some of the oldest Closed 'Long Tail' Air 81 Casualty files opened under a FoI request - The oldest ones that would be opened in around 90 years time. I decided on the 5 oldest records and I have had a response today (thank you Kew)

    AIR 81/3172 - Flying Officer A W L Cobbe, Pilot Officer H M Christopher, Sergeant W H Cassells: missing believed killed; enemy action, Blenheim 3915, 82 Squadron, 8 September 1940 - To be opened 22 July 2021 in full

    Also:

    AIR 81/2076 - Sergeant I L Thomas, Sergeant V Spurr, Leading Aircraftman H Bridson: killed; failed to return from operational flight over Holland, Blenheim L8831, 40 Squadron, 10 May 1940

    AIR 81/2090 - Flying Officer P A Hawks, Sergeant F J J Evans, Aircraftman C G Shaw: missing believed killed; near Vrigne-aux-Bois, France, Blenheim P6926, 59 Squadron, 14 May 1940

    AIR 81/2138 - Flight Lieutenant S I Dodds, Pilot Officer B S Booth, Leading Aircraftman A H Gumbleton, Leading Aircraftman N E Jacobs: missing believed killed; shot down, enemy action, Anson OYG, 48 Squadron, 20 May 1940

    A redacted version of these records will be made available for public viewing at The National Archives, Kew.


    Finally

    AIR 81/1935 is still being processed and we will update you shortly.

    AIR 81/1935 - Flying Officer P F Templeman: died of wounds; Sergeant D W Wilson: killed; Sergeant K R Say, Aircraftman J A Burke, Leading Aircraftman E Lawson, Leading Aircraftman J R Clark: prisoners of war; shot down by anti-aircraft fire, Wellington P2515, 37 Squadron, 24 March 1940


    So 4 files will be made available up to 70 years early...

    I will make some more requests again in due course (d not want to push my luck)- But if anyone would like to help I can make a list of the ones to target - Most files will be auto opened in the next 3 years - So I am focusing on the ones which are longest to wait

    I feel some of the decisions made earlier on these files would not be the same now.


    AIR 81/3172 is interesting as it shows that the long tail - was an email enquiry added to the file from Belgium in 2008 - which 'reset' the 100 years rule on personal information - these types of restrictions can be overcome by redaction on file review

    Usually by stating some facts on incident - full names etc DoB DoD Service Numbers, fact data can be redacted on FoI I feel makes it easy to get the FoI reviewed


    Kind Regards

    Paul

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    If you Want me to request a few ill be glad to

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    Jon

    Thanks I will put the next 10 oldest ones on here - I have done all 2090’s I need to get down to 2080’s next and If you FOI any let me know the reference and I will record

    I will request next batch after I have final answer on my initial batch

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    Sure . Stick them on here and Iíll send a request for you

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    First 1 of 4 - Had email today for Kew currently 700 open FoI so don't want to rock boat to much - Going for all 2080's ones

    AIR 81/1803

    Flying Officer J R Garrett: injured; Sergeant H C Moorby: killed; Leading Aircraftman T C McClure, Aircraftman R Beattie: uninjured; aircraft accident, Prestatyn, 502 Squadron, 19 January 1940.

    Due to be opened 01/01/2088

    502 Sqn Anson 1 N5050 YG-B
    Lost control in snow storm and the Anson spun onto the foreshore at 09.00hrs some 4 miles east of Rhyl.

    Crew

    Pilot Flying Officer John Randle Garrett seriously injured (died 1958). #90037
    Observer Sergeant Harold Christopher Moorby from Belfast Killed in accident #816074
    Air Gunner LAC Thomas Christopher McClure died a short time later from injury. #816021
    Wireless Operator AC1 Robert Beattie, died a short time later from from injury. #521868

    Assumption is that the file was opened on receipt correspondence circa 2010 so will be opened for some time - This correspondence could
    be redacted to placed in new file and so original file could be opened

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    File 2

    AIR 81/2303

    "Pilot Officer A E Wales, Sergeant J W Needham, Sergeant T Jordan: killed; shot down over Holland, Blenheim N3543, 235 Squadron, 27 June 1940.
    Note: With photographs"

    235 squadron Blenheim IV N3543 "LA-U",

    Crew:
    Pilot P/O. A.R. Wales 41968 RAF Killed
    Observer Sgt. J.W. Needham 742691 RAF Killed
    Wireless op Sgt. T.C. Jordan 629644 RAF Killed

    Due to be Opened 01/01/2086

    Photographs can if needed be placed in a separate file to get main file opened, any other data can be redacted if required

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    File 3

    AIR 81/2750

    Sergeant R S Hartnell, Sergeant E R Eastoe, Sergeant H G Ives, Sergeant F C E Gates: killed; Sergeant C A V Attwood, Sergeant E J Stephens, Sergeant R T Richardson, Sergeant E G Turner: missing believed killed; aircraft accident, Isle of Man, Wellington N2945, 11 Operational Training Unit, 24 August 1940.

    Due to be Opened 01/01/2086

    Crew all killed in incident again any recent correspondence can be redacted or placed in separate file

    Sgt. Royston Thomas Richardson 740461 RAFVR Age 23. Missing (killed)
    Sgt. Edward Gordon Turner 741188 RAFVR Missing (killed)
    Sgt. Richard Sidney Hartnell 568749 RAFVR Age 20. Killed
    Sgt. Hubert Geoffrey Ives 904303 RAFVR Age 21. Killed
    Sgt. Frank Arthur Edwin Gates 643900 RAF Age 20. Killed
    Sgt. Cecil Alfred Victor Attwood 643865 RAFVR Age 19. Missing (killed)
    Sgt. Eric Richard Eastoe 754751 RAFVR Age 19. Killed
    Sgt. Evan John Stephens 967065 RAFVR Missing - believed killed

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    AIR 81 Closed Files Now Open

    AIR 81/1716 Leading Aircraftman E Whitehead, Flight Lieutenant M P Skinner: killed; Lysander L4763, 13 Squadron; aircraft accident, Mons-en-Chausee, France, 6 December 1939. With photographs
    Open Date: 19 July 2021

    AIR 81/3172 Flying Officer A W L Cobbe, Pilot Officer H M Christopher, Sergeant W H Cassells: missing believed killed; enemy action, Blenheim 3915, 82 Squadron, 8 September 1940
    Open Date: 19 July 2021

    Total Closed Files now 315

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    New Closed File Opened


    Reference: AIR 81/1528
    Description:
    Flying Officer R M B D Duke-Woolley, Flight Lieutenant J S O'Brien, Corporal R W Downs, Aircraftman P G Holmes, Aircraftman B Evans, Leading Aircraftman A E Johnson, Aircraftman A J Weymouth, Aircraftman R B Knowles: uninjured; Blenheim L8367 and Blenheim L1457, 23 Squadron; collision between aircraft, RAF Wittering, 14 September 1939

    Date: 1939 Jan 01 - 1940 Dec 31
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Former reference in its original department: P 250113/39
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Access conditions: Closed Until 2021
    Record opening date: 25 August 2021

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