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    Yes, It could be a German in a British uniform. But his smile is more sour/sweet than the big smiles of the men in German uniform.
    If he was a German, then he was also a good actor!

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    Hello Hans,

    Another Dutch clue from the archive (Streekarchief Land van Heusden en Altena).

    "Dit is een gevangengenomen Engels bemanningslid, waarschijnlijk niet in de omgeving van Heusden volgens dhr. P. Pouwels uit Elshout."

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/streek...57622313776865

    Plaatsnaam: Hedikhuizen

    Short link.

    Type and search: Hedikhuizen and Periode 1940-1945.

    https://salha.nl/bronnen/fotos-en-films/foto-s/


    Pouwel Pouwels (1932-2015) wrote this book:

    https://www.hkkonsenoort.nl/product/...idden-brabant/

    Best regards

    Finn Buch
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    @Finn: thanks for the links. It shows that the picture indeed has had a pretty wide distribution.
    The quoted Dutch text translates as: "this is an arrested English crew member, problably not in the vicinity of Heusden, according to mr. P. Pouwels from Elshout". I think that's correct: it was not there.
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    There have been some developments in my search for the unknown sergeant.

    The exact location where the photo, to which I presented a link in the first post in this thread, was taken is now known. It is the Burgemeester Van der Esstraat in Pernis. Pernis is a village in the municipality of Rotterdam.

    It has also been suggested that the person in the photo is actually sergeant Kenneth J. Read RAF 629569. Read was a member of the crew of Whitley N1377, that crash-landed near the village of Hekelingen, sw of Rotterdam on the night of 26/27 july 1940.
    As final proof that it is indeed Ken Read, another photograph of him is essential. Is there a forum-user the has such a photo or knows of it's existance?

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    Hans,

    I do not have his picture and it is unfortunate one isn't in his WO 416 file at Kew.

    He was born 18 March 1916 at Campsy Ash, Suffolk. There appears to be a marriage to Jean R. Church at Deben, Suffolk in the September 1962 Quarter.

    Deceased Deben September 1972 Quarter. Hopefully someone with uk ancestry can look up the spouse and/or any children.

    You might also want to contact the chap who provided the photos here

    And failing all that, perhaps the families of his crew have photos which would confirm or deny your man.

    Regards,

    Dave

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    This is an interesting thread. My focus is on the tunic, which Peter identified as “his Best Blues”. I’m not sure about the situation on the Whitley, but the WOp station on the Lancaster is parked right over the heating system and evidently it was quite warm. So warm battledress may not be essential. But as Peter points out, if for propaganda, it could be anyone in that uniform. Getting a photo from the family would be helpful. Facebook may be a good place to start.

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    If I recall correctly this was one of several photos of the same event, maybe in Flypast or on e-bay ?
    Further -Were there any follow up replies in later Fly Past Mags in 1984 ?

    Here is a similar photo from e-bay some time ago.

    https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/track...9-54c53dde0a6b

    Alex
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    Interesting picture Alex.
    I have done a little checking about RAF Uniform history this afternoon and I believe that the Battledress (No2 BD) was not introduced for Aircrew until 1941 - (Ground trades 1943).
    So wearing a longer No1 SD style Tunic was probably fairly normal for Aircrew in 1940.

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    Dave: thank you for the information on the roots of Kenneth Read. Alex: interesting photo; indeed. Seems to be made in The Netherlands as well, but I can't tell where, rightaway. Bvs: thanks for the info on the introduction of the battledress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Smart View Post
    If I recall correctly this was one of several photos of the same event, maybe in Flypast or on e-bay ?
    Further -Were there any follow up replies in later Fly Past Mags in 1984 ?

    Here is a similar photo from e-bay some time ago.

    https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/track...9-54c53dde0a6b

    Alex
    Alex, the photo in your link was made in Leeuwarden, capital of the province of Friesland, in the North of the Netherlands. The RAF-airman is entering hotel Amicitia, which has been demolished in the sixties.
    Very interesting, but I don't think there is a connection with the case of the sergeant in Pernis.

    More info: the photo was published in the 'Defensiekrant', a magazine about and for the Dutch armed forces: Help! Wie is deze vlieger? | 03 | Defensiekrant

    It was bought (from Ebay, probably) by the NIMH (Dutch institute for military history) and was taken 1943 (probably between april and october, because the trees have got leaves)
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