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    Default Sunderlands operational over Biscay in June 1940.

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    What Sunderland squadrons were operational over Biscay in June 1940? It would save me a lot of time browsing through ORBs.
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    Default Re: Sunderlands operational over Biscay in June 1940.

    10 RAAF
    228
    210
    That was about it in June 1940
    What's the incident I might be able to help.

    Chris

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    Default Re: Sunderlands operational over Biscay in June 1940.

    Thanks Chris. Were not Nos 210 and 228 based in Scotland at the time?
    I am after interceptions of shipping going from Bordeaux to the UK around 17-21 June 1940. Sunderlands were seen from the ships.
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    Default Re: Sunderlands operational over Biscay in June 1940.

    210 did occasional flights out of Pembroke Dock

    228 were at Pembroke Dock until middle of June 1940

    Most likely though is 10 RAAF

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    Default Re: Sunderlands operational over Biscay in June 1940.

    Thanks!
    I have checked ORBs.
    No 10 RAAF Sqn seems a good candidate, and the ORB mentions ships by name, but not those I am looking for. I will check again, perhaps I have missed something.
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/D8407958
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/D8407959

    No 210 Sqn - not too many details in the ORB. Mostly convoy patrols. A possibility, as the ships sailing from France were taking course deep into Atlantic to avoid Germans. No evidence though.
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/D8393439
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/D8393440

    No 228 Sqn - on transfer to Alexandra, no ops.
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/D8395286
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/D8395287

    I wonder if there were any other large flying boats operational at the time, like Stranraers, but frankly I doubt it. Shall remain a mystery, I guess.
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    Default Re: Sunderlands operational over Biscay in June 1940.

    Hello,

    Here are two Sunderlands known to have been in the area on 18-19 June, 1940:

    1/.
    No.10 Sqn RAAF.
    The following day, the 19th (June 1940), the Secretary of State for the Colonies, Lord Lloyd , and his staff were carried to Lake Biscarosse by Squadron leader Bill Garing (Captain), Flight Lieutenant Bruce Courtney, Pilot Officer Vic Hodgkinson and crew in P9604/J. Lord Lloyd intended going to Bordeaux (the seat of the French Government), to try and convince them to fight on from Africa, he was expected back the next night.... During the night, we heard a Sunderland overhead and heard it alight somewhere out on the lake without the assistance of a flarepath. Garing and his crew returned Lord Lloyd and his entourage to Mount Batten on 20 June.

    Imperial Airways C-Class flying boat 'Clare', G-AFCZ, was also at Lake Biscarosse at this time, intending to evacuate the French Cabinet. It left before sunset when it became obvious that the plan to evacuate the French was doomed.

    See:
    Maritime Is Number Ten A History of No. 10 Squadron RAAF The Sunderland Era.
    Baff,K C.
    N.P:Author,1983.
    pp.52-4

    2/.
    No.210 Sqn RAF.
    Only ten days earlier - on June 19th - (Allan) Ainslie and the CO, W/C Fressanges, had completed a hazardous mission in which they had flown to France and landed at the French Navy station on a lake at Biscarosse. Their Sunderland, N9027, had embarked VIPs, including the First Lord of the Admiralty, Mr A. V. Alexander, and Lord Lloyd, Secretary of State for the Colonies, who had been pressing for the French Fleet to sail to British or American ports and avoid falling into German hands.

    See:
    Sopwiths To Sunderlands 210 Squadron 1917 to 1941.
    Evans,John.
    Pembroke Dock:Paterchurch Publications,1999.
    p.57.

    Take your pick. I think, as far as Lord Lloyd is concerned, history favours the account of No.10 Sqn RAAF. It is backed up by docs etc, in Baff's book.

    Col.
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    Default Re: Sunderlands operational over Biscay in June 1940.

    Hi
    Actually I am after the aircraft which searched for ships escaping from France and trying to get to the UK.
    Nonetheless this is quite interesting, as just in the morning a ship send to pick up the government to Africa was sank at Gironde. Then there was a violent debate within the government if to make to Africa or not. Certainly a valuable information on a forgotten incident.
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