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    Default AIR81 Errors

    Air81/1055
    Pilot Officer J W Garton: report of death; Spitfire G6705 in air operations, 9 July 1940
    Details are incorrect.

    aircraft serial number is wrong.

    Correct details are -

    9 July 1940
    GARTON, Jack Wallace - P/O - 70887 - RAF.
    Margate Cemetery, Kent, UK.
    Spitfire Ia - R6705 - 54 Sqn.

    Perhaps the a/c in Squadron letter was "G" ?

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    Default Re: Air81/1055

    Hi Alex, the AIR81 files have many such wrong entries.. Serials incomplete, Six Character serials (With an extra number or letter thrown in, etc etc too many infact..

    Whereever there is a file related to a Casuality entry and the serial doesnot match, I have updated the AIR entry against the casuality record/ POW record as the case maybe. eg you will note the AIR81/1055 entry against Garton's page in the DB. http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?qnum=74245

    Might be worthwhile for me to add a field to the table with the corrected serial that can come up in searches.
    Last edited by Jagan; 6th October 2021 at 16:27.

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    Default Re: Air81/1055

    Thanks Jagan, I think that is a great idea.
    But only if you have some spare time ;(

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    Default Re: Air81/1055

    Quote Originally Posted by Jagan View Post
    Might be worthwhile for me to add a field to the table with the corrected serial that can come up in searches.
    As a follow up to the above,

    An example of a corrected entry will show up as

    https://www.rafcommands.com/database...php?uniq=K8985

    Shows up as :

    Citation Aircraft AIR81 Casualty File Description Link
    AIR81/10 Whitley K8985 Acting Flight Lieutenant W C G Cogman, Pilot Officer A W Mack, Sergeant G T Henry, Aircraftman 1st Class A Steel and Corporal S R Wood: prisoners of war; Whitley L8985 forced to land in Belgium, 9 September 1939. C14141989

    This preserves the original text of the AIR81 file description but shows the actual aircraft it was referring to.

    An uncorrected entry will show up as

    https://www.rafcommands.com/database...php?uniq=A1653
    Citation Aircraft AIR81 Casualty File Description Link
    AIR81/11097 A1653 Sergeant R R Hart (RAAF): injured; Flight Lieutenant K R Smith, Sergeant J E Walsh, Flying Officer N R Thompson, Sergeant E R Head: uninjured; enemy action off the coast of Malaya, Hudson A1653, 1 Squadron, 20 December 1941. C17058826

    Obviously the serial needs to be updated to A16-53 and type will be Hudson..

    there are a couple of thousand AIR81 entries that need correction!

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    Default Re: Air81/1055

    Jagan,

    Would there be a benefit - or is it possible - to format the corrected serial in bold and have a general note somewhere so that users would have a flag as to why there were two different serials?

    Robert

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    The following entry is linking a Fortress incident on 14 August 1942 at Thetford to No. 342 Lorraine Squadron.

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/....php?qname=342 squadron&qnum=&qdate=&qunit=&qcntry=&qmem=&cur=0

    This is wrong however as the unit was US 342nd Bombing Squadron.

    https://www.aviationarchaeology.com/...y/Aug1942O.htm

    All the best

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    Reference: AIR 81/17206
    Description:
    Sergeant J G Holstiene: killed; Staff Sergeant F M Wallace, Captain J Galin, Lieutenant K Jones, Sergeant Gibhadt: injured; Lieutenant F X Schwarzenbeck, Sergeant J Dolence, Sergeant K Laud, Sergeant W T Lynch: uninjured; Fortress B17E 9115, 342 Squadron, aircraft accident, Thetford aerodrome, Norfolk, 14 August 1942


    420815 B-17E 41-9115 342BS 97BG RAF Grafton-Underwood, ENG FLEF 5 Schwarzenbek, Francis X ENG Thetford, ENG


    Date wrong on https://www.aviationarchaeology.com/...y/Aug1942O.htm

    On 14 August 1942, a fire in B-17E #41-9115 forced crew to bail out during a training flight. All Returned to Duty (RTD) ...https://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/23777

    Do not know why AIR 81 as no apparent RAF Crew


    John G Holstine
    MILITARY | SERGEANT | TAIL GUNNER | 97TH BOMB GROUP
    14 August 1942, a fire in a/c B-17E-BO 41-9115 forced crew to bail out during a training flight. Holstine only reported death.

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    Default Re: Database error

    Thats an interesting one, was a member of the crew from the RAF?

    Two more USAAF ones here
    AIR81/17424 Second Lieutenant D A Walter (USAAC): died of injuries; Second Lieutenant R S Starks (USAAC): injured; Sergeant J M Hughes (USAAC), Sergeant W E Schimke (USAAC), Sergeant J C Simmons (USAAC), Sergeant W A Adams (USAAC), Sergeant R T Nalley (USAAC), Second Lieutenant E Sconiers (USAAC), Second Lieutenant H Spire (USAAC): uninjured; Flying Fortress 19089, 414 Bombardment Squadron, aircraft engaged by the enemy over Norfolk, 21 August 1942. C17479627

    AIR81/17477 First Lieutenant C Gutheridge (USAAF), Sergeant H S Haag (USAAF), Sergeant H J Watson (USAAF): injured; Second Lieutenant C W Lipsey (USAAF), Second Lieutenant D Howard (USAAF), Second Lieutenant D M C Corble (USAAF), Sergeant P D Drain (USAAF), Sergeant H W Warren (USAAF), Sergeant H W Warren (USAAF), Sergeant C A Travinele (USAAF), Sergeant V F Peltier (USAAF): uninjured; Fortress19175, 340 Bombardment Squadron USAF, aircraft was engaged by the enemy over Margate, Kent, 24 August 1942. C17479680
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
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    Default Re: Database error

    Hello

    I've noticed several items in the last tranche who are clearly USAAF. For example
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ls/r/C17479256 or
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g.../r/h/C17478211

    Joss

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    Default Re: Database error

    anyone know what the actual serial for this is? It says Whitley but it doesnt exist.?

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=L8985

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