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    Default Wellington W5521 405 Sqn.

    Dear Gentlemen,

    I'm looking for confirmation resp. further details about the following loss:

    7.9.1941
    405 Sqn. Wellington II W5521 LQ-P
    all POW

    Shot down by a night-fighter (Oblt. Helmut Woltersdorf 7./NJG1) and crashed 2km NE Nienburg, near Erichshagen.

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    Hi Steve,

    in this case I can not add more than:

    - lost on raid on Berlin
    - confirmation from Tony Wood list:
    07.09.41 Oblt. Helmut Woltersdorf 7./NJG 1 Wellington 00.11


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    G'day Steve

    The aforementioned Wimpy was taken on strength with No. 405 'Vancouver' (B) Squadron on the 16th of June 1941. It had completed 8 ops when it went Category E missing.

    Here's a little narrative from an uknown 405 Squadron navigator.

    "When we walked into the briefing room, the air was electric. The tapes on the wall stopped a little short of the 'Big City' as Berlin was known. When we were all seated, the Intelligence Officer completed the map to Berlin. I think you could have heard the roar in Berlin!

    We all knew that this had never been done before and I think we all grew another foot taller. The target was the Spandau area and the Spee breaks out into a couple of lakes in the area, which made it a fairly easy target to find. We had been to Magdeburg before and the route was nearly the same

    Higher Command had also put other raids in Germany and our route did not turn to Berlin until the last few miles. Fifty aircraft over Berlin, the searchlights and flak were heavy - they had not experienced such a raid before but the anti-aircraft people were obviously experienced. I believe seven failed to return out of the fifty - quite a loss. Our flight was quite uneventful except for being shot at - when you can hear the shells bursting they are close. The weather was clear and all went according to plan."

    Cheers...Chris

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    Hello Dakota, hello Pavel,

    thanks for the interesting narrative and the informations.

    Pavel:
    The time of crash must be 01.22 I guess. Please compare Operation Hüls 6-7. September 1941 75 Sqn. Wellington X9767.

    kind regards

    Steve

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    Hi Steve,

    I think it is quite simple explanation - there was different time in UK and Germany. So My time is the German one, your could be British with difference of 1 hour.

    There was a post about the time differences during the WWII on this forum. I am not able to find it so I will try to check it at home from my data.

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    Dear Pavel,

    I could follow your argumentation but please take a look at the following link:

    http://books.google.de/books?id=_AP4QkYQZY8C&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=helmut+w oltersdorf+njg1&source=web&ots=609_Zg6s2R&sig=L9Qr wsh_CGiETkLzmFypUVnmF94&hl=de&sa=X&oi=book_result& resnum=3&ct=result#PPA12,M1

    Page 30 shows two victories for Helmut Woltersdorf one 6/7.9.41 00.11 and the other 7/8.9.41 01.22 hrs..

    regards

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    Hi Steve,

    I am very sorry it is my mistake.
    I have not checked that the Berlin air raid was from 7th to 8th!
    And as Helmut Woltersdorf claimed also a Wellington previous night I mix it up.

    So I fully agree with your last post.

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    Hi Pavel,

    you don't no need to feel sorry.

    Your contributions are always much appreciated and I think I'm not the only one here who thinks that way!

    regards

    Steve

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