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    Default Hurricane 16/05/1940 in Belgium

    Hi,

    Trying to identify which Hurricane crashed at Herzele (Belgium) on 16/05/1940. Two of the possible candidates are P2825 (3 Sqn, Sqdn Ldr Gifford) and N2335 (615 Sqn, F/Lt.Thornley). Both pilots are still missing and it is possible that one of them is buried at Heverlee CWGC cemetery as unknown.
    The 3 bladed prop of the aircraft is on display in the Brussels Air Museum.

    Is it known if P2825 and N2335 were equipped with a 2 or 3 bladed prop ? Is it possible that the same unit used 2 and 3 bladed Hurricanes at the same time ? It is possible that a plane originally delivered with a 2 bladed prop was later converted to a 3 bladed prop ? Was the 3 bladed used as from a certain production batch ?

    Many thanks and best regards

    Luc

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    Default Re: Hurricane 16/05/1940 in Belgium

    Luc I am sure that both the P an N series would have had 3 bladed prop by then - I think mainly on L series

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    Default Re: Hurricane 16/05/1940 in Belgium

    Early Hurricane expert Iain Arnold says

    Hi Paul
    Seen your comment on the forum
    Can't really add much more
    L-series originally fitted with watts wood 2 bladed prop towards end of the batch some fitted with de havilland metal 3 bladed prop. Some of these were retro fitted at squadron level.
    N series fitted with de havilland metal 3 blade prop.
    P series fitted with either de havilland metal 3 blade prop or rotol wood blade prop.
    Hope this bit of info helps
    Iain

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    Default Re: Hurricane 16/05/1940 in Belgium

    Luc,
    The old (read obsolete), 2-bladed wooden props were definitely on the way out by this time, as the much improved performance obtainable with a "modern" 2-position, or the even better constant speed propeller (all with three blades, either DH (Hamilton Standard) counter-weight metal, or the Rotol type types with wooden blades) were so marked that these modifications were a top priority job. I believe that modification teams (civilian specialists employed by the propeller manufacturers) were sent to France with the new props and modifications kits to install these new "wonder props", which gave the Hurricanes such a boost in performance. They would perhaps have been assisted (or at least observed) by the RAF servicing personnel who would be required to work on these props in service. There were probably others (engineers or pilots) sent to advise the squadron pilots on how to "handle" (operate) these miraculous creations and thus get the best out of them and their aircraft. Will leave it to other members to elaborate. Each aircraft modified would probably take several hours to complete, and it was a job best left to the specialists.

    David D
    Last edited by David Duxbury; 12th October 2021 at 21:18. Reason: small corrections

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    Default Re: Hurricane 16/05/1940 in Belgium

    Hi Luc,

    In the ‘After the Battle’ book ‘The Battle for France Then & Now’. It has 3 Sqn Hurricane P2825 shot down by Bf110’s of 1./ZG1 near Wavre at 6.15 pm S/L P Gifford missing. 615 Sqn Hurricane N2335 believed shot down by Oblt Framm of 2./JG27 and crashed at Tirlemont at 1.40 pm after being in combat between Louvan and Wavre. F/L L T W Thornley missing.

    I hope that helps.

    Cheers,

    John.

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    Paul, Iain, David and John,

    Many thanks for the detailed explanation !

    Best regards

    Luc

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    Default Re: Hurricane 16/05/1940 in Belgium

    The CWGC currently have a open case file ( no 574 ) for Squadron Leader Gifford DFC and it is listed as ' Under Investigation'.

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    AndyL,

    Many thanks for this very interesting information. Is this mentioned on their website ?

    Best regards

    Luc

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    AndyL,

    Found that it is mentioned on their website :

    https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/co...en-case-files/

    Best regards

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    Default Re: Hurricane 16/05/1940 in Belgium

    Hi,

    The Form AM78 for N2335 mentions :

    Reserve aircraft. Fitted V.P.Airscrews. 2?.2.40 Mods for AASF

    Is V.P. variable-pitch ? Was this used on the 2 or 3 blades, metal or wooden prop ?

    Many thanks and best regards

    Luc

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