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    Hi,

    On 16/05/1940 (or 19/05/1940 ?) Sgt. Alan Newton Trice (565017) of 151 Squadron (he had arrived the same day as replacement pilot on attachment to 87 Squadron) was reported missing. It is possible that his plane was shot down by Uffz.Dahmer of 4./JG26.

    Is the serial of his Hurricane known ?

    Many thanks and best regards

    Luc

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    Default Re: 16/05/1940 or 19/05/1940 Sgt. Alan N.Trice - Hurricane - Serial ?

    Luc

    Hurricane L2000 according to this thread:

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...626#post161626

    ASN has an entry: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/136961

    Regards

    Simon
    Last edited by wwrsimon; 16th October 2021 at 12:47. Reason: typo
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    Default Re: 16/05/1940 or 19/05/1940 Sgt. Alan N.Trice - Hurricane - Serial ?

    Simon,

    Thanks for this info !

    Best regards

    Luc

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    Default Re: 16/05/1940 or 19/05/1940 Sgt. Alan N.Trice - Hurricane - Serial ?

    Hi Luc
    Alan was my mother's half brother. His UK recorded death is 19th May - registered by his father but other records show 16th - neither of the squadron websites appear to make any mention of him on either date - just 151 stating he was a pilot in Green Section on 16th May. Mum was much younger and has little recollection of circumstances of his death. Have you any other information?

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    Default Re: 16/05/1940 or 19/05/1940 Sgt. Alan N.Trice - Hurricane - Serial ?

    Hi Jotr1960,

    Many thanks for your reply.

    The Operational Record Book of the Squadron (AIR 27/1018) mentions on Form 540 (page 218) : 2000. F/O. Allen, F/O.Ward, Sgt.Badger and Sgt.Trice left by road for North Weald with orders to report to Hendon at 0700 hours on the 16/5/40. No details mentioned on Form 541 (page 241 and next).

    The aircraft (L2000) was constructed by Hawker under contract no.527112/36 with Merlin III engine no.4937-119644. It was taken on charge of 56 Squadron on 19/06/1939, to 229 Squadron on 11/03/1940, to Manston 16/05/1940. SOC May 1940.

    CWGC mentions him as missing with as date 16/05/1940. He is commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial and is probably buried as unknown airman in a Belgian CWGC cemetery.

    Can you contact me via pm ? Thanks !

    Best regards from Belgium

    Luc
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    Default Re: 16/05/1940 or 19/05/1940 Sgt. Alan N.Trice - Hurricane - Serial ?

    The Operational Record Book of the 151 Squadron (AIR 27/1018) mentions on Form 540 (page 218) : 2000. F/O. Allen, F/O.Ward, Sgt.Badger and Sgt.Trice left by road for North Weald with orders to report to Hendon at 0700 hours on the 16/5/40. No details mentioned on Form 541 (page 241 and next).

    Is there any way that details of these Airmen arriving at Hendon ? They should it seems have got there on the same day, i.e. the 16th. So what then ? It could be a possibility that having arrived they were then given orders to take aircraft over the Channel perhaps that same day or did they get a days rest and fly over on the days following, which could mean that the death may have been the 19th after all. Or even the 19th was the day that the aircraft/Pilot were found ?
    What is known of the other pilots, Allen,Ward and Badger from that group , may give more details re date ?

    OK this helps in regard to when they got to France.

    "19/05/1940: Interception, Valenciennes, F

    Flying Officer Ward, flying in a section of four Hurricanes, was responsible for the destruction of a Henschel 126 intercepted near Valenciennes. After one of his section had attacked without result, Ward followed and got in several good bursts. As he broke away smoke began to pour from the German machine. He then closed and made a second attack, whereupon the enemy aircraft blew up in the air.

    Ward had arrived in France only two days previously in company with five other pilots to deliver new aircraft to No. 87 Squadron. On hearing how sorely pressed the unit was at the time, the ferry pilots, who had no definite orders, elected to remain in France. They went into action immediately and took part in the many tasks the squadron was called upon to perform. Only two of the six—one being Ward—lived to return to England.

    Squadron Leader Derek H. Ward, RAF 40786 (NZ), DFC and bar; born Whangarei, 31 Jul 1917; joined RAF Jun 1938; commanded No. 73 Sqdn, Middle East, 1941–42; killed on air operations, 17 Jun 1942, Halfaya Sollum War Cemetery, Egypt.

    Type: Hawker Hurricane Mk I
    Serial number: P2687, LK-?
    Operation: Interception
    Lost: 19/05/1940
    F/O James M. Strickland, WIA
    Bailed out after combat with Me 109. Received splinter wounds and a bullet wound from a French soldier. Strickland was one of the six reinforcements. He was killed 14/08/1941 in a flying accident with 130 Squadron.

    According to Belgian researcher Dominique Van Den Broucke, it was actually Dunn who was flying P2687, he landed by parachute in Bachy, near the belgian border, and was burnt. His burns were dressed by a local family of farmers. It's difficult to have further informations from him, as he was killed in action a few days later. But his widow confirmed that he was burnt following the 19th May 1940 action. (see: Joss Leclercq on RAF Commands Forum)

    back up

    Type: Hawker Hurricane Mk I
    Serial number: L1620, LK-?
    Operation: Interception
    Lost: 19/05/1940
    P/O Horatio J.L. Dunn
    Bailed out after combat with Me 109. Injured, slight burns. P/O Dunn was killed on 01/06/1940".
    Last edited by Alex Smart; 4th November 2021 at 23:50.

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    Default Re: 16/05/1940 or 19/05/1940 Sgt. Alan N.Trice - Hurricane - Serial ?

    Does anyone have AIR 27/1018?

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    Default Re: 16/05/1940 or 19/05/1940 Sgt. Alan N.Trice - Hurricane - Serial ?

    Paul,

    Yes, I have a copy.

    Best regards

    Luc

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    Default Re: 16/05/1940 or 19/05/1940 Sgt. Alan N.Trice - Hurricane - Serial ?

    Hello 'Jotr1960',

    Welcome to the forum. Alan's death occurred on May 19th and he was serving with 87 Squadron at the time.

    I have a digital copy of his AIR 81/602 Personnel Casualty File (also available to view in person at The National Archives in Kew, London). If you wish I can send you a copy, it has family details. However you probably cannot yet use the 'PM' system here as you have only one post so far on this forum (one needs 5 ?). Please contact me directly at mandkgleeson7 at gmail dot com

    I have found no evidence to date to identify his aircraft serial, at least none in primary documentation. The earliest published source for L2000 that I can find comes from '12 DAYS IN MAY' by Brian Cull, Bruce Lander and Heinrich Weiss. It seems possible the serial originated from the archive of Heinrich Weiss, but his sources are unknown to me.

    Hope to hear from you in due course.

    Regards,

    Martin Gleeson.

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    Default Re: 16/05/1940 or 19/05/1940 Sgt. Alan N.Trice - Hurricane - Serial ?

    Martin


    Thanks for your contribution

    out of interest how did you confirm 19th May 1940 for his loss - I know hs body was found that day by a unit of British Army and he buried locally to location - Unfortunately his grave location lost over time and now on Runnymede

    Paul

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