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    Default No 1 RAF or No 1 RCAF Sqn pilots shot up on parachutes in 1940

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    According to memories of Johnny Kent, which I have no reason to doubt, during the September 1940 one or two pilots of either No 1 RAF or No 1 RCAF Sqn were shot up by German fighters following bale out during the combat. I have checked my books, but I cannot identify them. Any idea, who they were?
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    Default Re: No 1 RAF or No 1 RCAF Sqn pilots shot up on parachutes in 1940

    Hi Franek,

    High Blue Battle by Dave McIntosh which is based in the War Diary of 1 RCAF does not mention anything like that.
    best wishes

    Peter

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    Hi
    Thanks. ORBs do not mention the incident either, though, as noted, I have no reason to doubt Kent's account. There were attacks on the RAF airmen on parachutes, no doubt, but I have never seen them listed.
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    Further digging I have found following incidents. Anyone can add anything?
    F/L Ash of No 264 Sqn killed on parachute on 28 August 1940.
    S/L Starr of No 253 Sqn killed on parachute on 31 August 1940.
    P/O Maciński of No 111 Sqn fatally shot at parachute and in sea on 4 September 1940.
    F/O Lovell of No 19 Sqn attacked on 5 September 1940.
    F/O King of no 66 Sqn possibly attacked on parachute on 5 September 1940.
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    Default Re: No 1 RAF or No 1 RCAF Sqn pilots shot up on parachutes in 1940

    Hi Franek,

    After the Battle Battle of Britain then and now has the following.

    Defiant L7021 crashed at Faversham at 09.00 S/L G D Garvin baled out with minor injuries F/L R C V Ash baled out but killed. After combat with Bf109s.


    Hurricane P3115 shot down by return fire from a JU88 and crashed at 08.25 near Grove Ferry S/L H M Starr fell dead.

    Hurricane Z2309 crashed into the Channel five miles east of Folkestone after combat with Bf109s at 09.15 P/O J Macinski bailed out missing.

    No mention of a Lovell on that Sqn for that date.

    Spitfire N3060 shot down after combat with Bf109s at Medway at 16.00 F/O P J C King bailed but killed when parachute did not open.

    I hope that helps.

    Cheers,

    John.

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    F/O Lovell bailed out of Spitfire R6885 on 5th September 1940. He was on 41 Squadron and was uninjured, indeed he flew the following day.

    http://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/Lovell.htm

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    Thanks.
    Yes, my fault with the Sqn of Lovell.
    Nonetheless I am looking for more incidents, rather than details of those.
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    Hi all,
    D N O Jenkins of 253 is another that springs to mind.
    Gerry

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    Thanks!
    Jenkins was killed on 30 August 1940. The report seems conflicting, statement that parachute was not opened may well mean not fully deployed. If so, this may suggest an attack, indeed. It seems that Sgt Dickinson of No 253 Sqn was also shot as he descended in his parachute.
    Hard to believe that No 253 Sqn was the only unlucky unit, so there must have been more attacks.
    Another suspect is F/O Patrick Woods-Scawen D.F.C. of No 85 Sqn killed on 1 September, 1940.
    Search continues.
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    Default Re: No 1 RAF or No 1 RCAF Sqn pilots shot up on parachutes in 1940

    Ref the loss of Robert Ash of 264 Squadron. His family were convinced that he had been machine gunned, ( and so had George Garvin ) and were still asking the Air Ministry about his loss into 1944. The line from the 264 Squadron medical officer was that he had suffered the gunshot wounds when his Defiant was attacked, and when he baled out, his head had struck the tail and broken his neck as he was in the process of pulling the ripcord. As to George Garvin, I'm unaware of him making claims of them being attacked, as there is nothing in his surviving letters or log book referencing it.
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