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    Default Unaccounted Airmen - Unknown Aircraft, Incorrect Serials, Unidentified Types

    I have about 685 records with incomplete serials, no serials, unidentified types , wrong serials etc.. Can folks chime in on this worksheet and directly make an entry? Leave your comments in Columns K and L as needed

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BLIoSVzaloL8QJ21xdRHuJEODxhHZqXs-cyWom07LCQ/edit?usp=sharing


    there are a fair share of Hurricanes, Spitfires, Beaufighters, Marylands, Marauders in there.. hoping it will trigger some corrections.

    Thank you.

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    Default Re: Unaccounted Airmen - Unknown Aircraft, Incorrect Serials, Unidentified Types

    I'm going through RCAF service files on ancestry at the moment.

    I've sorted it by mans serial number and am checking some RCAF men.
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    Default Re: Unaccounted Airmen - Unknown Aircraft, Incorrect Serials, Unidentified Types

    Dennis,

    Re your entry "D Burke: Service file mentions Master DM108 - was there a question over this, already listed ?"

    I added that information as well as a few others. There was no serial there a couple of hours ago.

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    Default Re: Unaccounted Airmen - Unknown Aircraft, Incorrect Serials, Unidentified Types

    Great new document, well done glad it also enables members to make additions.

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    I have few suggestions.
    I see no column for aircraft markings.
    There is no column for comments.
    There is no column for sources, which I think are necessary.
    There is no column for nationality, and in case of Polish airmen, double ranks.
    I am afraid, that well intended corrections may cause some mess. I understand that you have a copy of original file, nonetheless I think that original wrong entries should be kept for reference and cross checking if necessary.
    For example, Warburton, he was RAF liaison officer posted to Mount Farm. He was killed flying borrowed Lockheed F-5B serial 42-67325 of 27th PRS 7th PRG. Source: Roy Conyers Nesbit Reported Missing: Lost Airmen of the Second World War.
    1940-09-27 Spitfire N6767 SYDNEY CHARLES - R6767 - to be checked if N is an error or individual letter. BoB T&N.
    F/O Bogdan Bielkiewicz 306 Sqn Hurricane I P3069 UZ-Y - no room to enter his secondary RAF rank and aircraft code. P/0687 - slash is not necessary.
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    Default Re: Unaccounted Airmen - Unknown Aircraft, Incorrect Serials, Unidentified Types

    Thanks folks, please keep them coming, I updated roughly 48 serials and types.. so the records went down from 685 down to 638


    Franek,

    This is a subset of the Data present in the CWGC and Aircraft Serials tables. So - there is a nationality field in the CWGC Database. There is also an ability to add remarks/data to the CWGC Table.

    I get your point of the original file - fortunately Google Sheets excels here - it can store variants of the file, the original version is also preserved.

    There are columns for Comment .. eg anything from Column K can be used.

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    Default Re: Unaccounted Airmen - Unknown Aircraft, Incorrect Serials, Unidentified Types

    Reference the note about SAAF 410, I agree that this serial was a Hawker Hart.
    But according to "85 Years of the SAAF" this machine was SOC on 31Oct44, which makes it an unlikely candidate.

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    Default Re: Unaccounted Airmen - Unknown Aircraft, Incorrect Serials, Unidentified Types

    I did a few updates the other evening and I added my comments in the L k columns in this fashion

    Service file states Spitfire Xxxxx , a simple statement of what you have done.

    Or I added, scanned service file does not record aircraft details, as I believe the scans on ancestry are not the entire RCAF file, might be wrong there.

    Just add a little note to mention your source and where your arriving at that from. I didnt update the actual fields themselves, Jagan I think thats what you wanted.?
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    Default Re: Unaccounted Airmen - Unknown Aircraft, Incorrect Serials, Unidentified Types

    Alex,
    That one has been resolved, therefore it has been removed to the second tab in the spreadsheet.
    The first tab only shows those still to be sorted.
    Andy

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    Default Re: Unaccounted Airmen - Unknown Aircraft, Incorrect Serials, Unidentified Types

    Just looking at SNAPE, and the Wellington serial LP162.
    Is it possible that this was LP182 (37 Sqn) that according to ABLA100- LZ999 blew up while loading at Tortorella . The date given in the book is 28/6/1944.
    There is also mention in vol 2 of BCL losses in the ME, page133.
    A second a/c MF351 was set alight by debris from LP182.
    The fatalities and this event are so very close.

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