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    Default Where an airman "under close arrest" would be held?

    Hi all, I have a case when an airman was put "under close arrest" at the RAF Station Dyce.
    Was ther something like a "prison" at the station or he was just put into a sepparate barrack or possibly only to separate room - different from the one when he was billeted and guarded by an (armed?) sentry?
    I have never researched this area before so I will be thankful for any clues.

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    Default Re: Where an airman "under close arrest" would be held?

    Pavel,

    I would suggest that an airman might be detained in the Station Guardroom. Some stations would have had guardrooms with cells attached and he would be watched over by the guard/orderly sergeant/orderly officer etc.

    If he had been an officer he would have been confined to the Officers Mess.

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    Default Re: Where an airman "under close arrest" would be held?

    Daz, thank you! I think it would be as you have suggested - rather what I have written.
    He was a Sergeant at the time, so it also fits.

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    Pavel

    Itís also possible that he would have been in the care of the RAF Police who most likely had a presence on the station.

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    Default Re: Where an airman "under close arrest" would be held?

    I don't think things changed greatly over the following years.
    When I did Orderly Officer duties in the 1980s, one of the required actions was to check on any prisoners (a rather rare event!). They were always held in the guardroom.

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    Default Re: Where an airman "under close arrest" would be held?

    ORs were detained in the cells that were built into most Guardrooms constructed in the 1930’s expansion. They had to be escorted – marched carrying their “Mug & Irons” – from the Guardroom to the Airmans’ Mess (and back!) at mealtimes. They were inspected by the Orderly Officer (see above), and Orderly Sgt, several times a day. On one very cold day the OO thought the temperature in the cell was too low, and the Duty Met Asst (me!) was called to measure the cell air temperature with an Assman Psychrometer. And at the subsequent Court Martial it was stated “. . . . . . . . “.
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    Default Re: Where an airman "under close arrest" would be held?

    KR&ACI are the primary document for defining this.

    1110 Air Force Custody - Definition
    ..as applied to an officer or airman not under sentence means putting the offender in arrest or in confinement, and includes naval and military custody.

    Air Force Custody for an officer or airman (not under sentence) usually means arrest, but an officer or airman may, if circumstances require it, be placed for custody under the charge of a guard, picket, patrol, sentry, or member of service police.

    1111 Arrest - Definition and Conditions

    Arrest is either close arrest or open arrest, The nature of the arrest will be specified at the time the arrest is made.

    An officer under close arrest is not to leave his quarters or tent, except to take such exercise under supervision as the medical officer considers necessary.

    ....

    The preceding clauses will also apply to a warrant officer or NCO.

    ...

    An aircraftman, apprentice or boy entrant, on being placed in close arrest, will be placed in confinement under charge of a guard, picket, patrol, sentry, or member of the service police, and will be searched and deprived of knives or other weapons. The accommodation usually available for the temporary confinement of aircraftmen, apprentices or boy entrants in close arrest is the guard detention room attached to the guard room, and similar smaller rooms for the confinement of those who are to kept apart.
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    Default Re: Where an airman "under close arrest" would be held?

    Ross thank you very much for your comprehensive answer!

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    Default Re: Where an airman "under close arrest" would be held?

    Pavel,
    It occurs to me that if you want some idea of the size, etc, and the 'facilities' of the 'normal' Guardroom cell then some contact with https://www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk may produce copies of official plans etc.. Like us, they have experts in all sorts of different areas. They might just have a "Guardroom Cell" expert. Never let it be said that we don't go out of our way to assist you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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