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    Hi guys

    I hope someone can put flesh on bones regarding the following incidents, please:

    21/9/41: Two Spitfires BL770 and W3133 (pilots Morgan and Carey) crashed (collision?) near Goxhill.

    23/9/41: P-40 41-36028 (pilot Knowles) crashed near Birkhampstead.

    27/9/41: Spitfire BM582 (pilot Keough) crashed near Goxhill.

    28/9/41: P-40 41-25132 (pilot Kolas) crashed UK

    3/10/41: Spitfire BM479 (pilot Newman) crashed near Goxhill.


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    Brian
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    Are you sure about the year being 1941??

    http://www.accident-report.com/UK/1942.html

    has it listed as a USAAF incident,

    421003
    NEWMAN, GEORGE A JR
    SPITFIRE BM-479 GOXHILL, UK

    This pilot possibly going on to be killed in North Africa with the 350th Fighter group.

    420927
    KEOUGH, GEORGE T
    SPITFIRE BM-582 GOXHILL, UK
    52 (FG) HIT OBJECT IN FLIGHT

    Are these all USAAF crashes? The USAF Historial Support office and similar should eb able to supply the crash reports for you.

    http://www.armyairforces.com/ResearchHelp/tabid/99/Default.aspx

    Dennis
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    Hi Brian
    I suggest you check your sources for these accidents as there several anomalies. From Air Britain serials W3133 was a Hampden of 50 Sqn missing from a raid on Bremen on 30/6/41. BL770 was with 41 Sqn and 245 Sqn and then -to Seafire PA113(?conversion) in 4.43.
    BM479,was with 71Sqn/111/2 US/65/130 and then to Portugal 25/11/43. BM582, was with 154 Sqn/Eglinton and then to USAAF 24/10/42. As is the norm with Air Britain the intermediate transfers are not dated but there is nothing to indicate loss of,or accident to, the a/c except for W3133.
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    A few words on the Knowles crash (1942):

    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66685

    Dick, the Spitfire file has W3133:

    W3133 Vb 1616 EA M45 FF 26-4-41 8MU 26-4-41 91S 9-5-41 MM 10-7-41 ASTH 9-4-42 65S 28-6-42 2USAAF 22-8-42 332S 8-11-42 FACB recat E 19-2-43

    41-25132 must have survived the crash as it ended up with the RNZAF:

    NZ3099 (ex-41-25132, UK Serial ET456) Taken over from USAAF by No.15 Squadron at Fuamotu, Tonga on 27 October 1942. Crash landed at Espiritu Santo in January 1944. Written off books on 09 March 1944.

    http://nz-serials.adf-serials.com/nz3001.shtml


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    Bruce Robertson (British Military Aircraft Serials) confirms W3133 as a Spitfire Vb.

    Chorley Vol. 2 has the Hampden as X3133, which is also as Roberston has it.

    Cheers

    Eddie

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    Brian
    My apologies for ?w3133, my Senior Moments are gaining on me!!! . Amrit and Eddie are correct, for which I thank them ,I simply looked in the wrong Serial Book. The rest are,however, reported correctly,
    Sorry
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    Default 1941 (1942) flying accidents

    Oh dear!! Apologies to all!

    Dick, it's not only you suffering a senior moment! I'll put mine down to jet-lag and too much sun (and booze), having just returned from Malta!

    I supposed the listed incidents to have occurred in 1941! So none are relevant to my research and therefore I have wasted my time and your time! But thanks for your prompt responses.

    Cheers
    Brian

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