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    400830 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 30-08-1940

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    UK
    WAAF
    BUTTON, Edna Lenna (Australian) - ACW1c - 886553 - WAAF.
    St.Mary Cray Cemetery, Kent.
    Killed in Air Raid on RAF Biggin Hill.

    NEW ZEALAND
    SANDO, Kenneth William - AC1c - 402796 - RNZAF.
    Christchurch (Bromley) Cemetery, Christchurch City, New Zealand.
    Cause of death ? CWGC has the 31-08-1940 ?

    UK
    BARNETT, James - AC2c - 1352118 - RAFVR.
    Ashburton (St.Andrew) Churchyard Extension, Devon.
    CARTER, Deric Henry Mervyn - Lac - 511653 - RAF
    Barking (Rippleside) Cemetery, Essex.
    CRANE, Herbert - AC1c - 920940 - RAFVR.
    Islington Cemetery and Crematorium, Middlesex.
    CROSS, Richard Major - Lac - 65781 - RAF.
    Aldershot Civil Cemetery, Hampshire.
    HUDSON, Arthur - AC2c - 1103399 - RAFVR.
    Warrington Cemetery,Lancashire.
    MOORS, Leonard - AC2c - 1011146 - RAFVR.
    Mow Cop(St.Thomas) Churchyard, Staffordshire.
    MURTON, Dennis William - AC2c - 961737 - RAFVR.
    Tostock (St.Andrew) Churchyard, Suffolk.
    RIGGS, George Edward - Lac - 743719 - RAFVR.
    Luton General Cemetery, Bedfordshire.
    VEAL, Edward Thomas - AC2c - 813038 z RAF (AAF).
    Biggin Hill Cemetery, Kent.
    WREN, Victor Albert Lane - AC1c - 113797 - RAF.
    Barkingside Cemetery, Ilford, Essex.
    ROBERTS, Norman Arthur - Civilian.
    Orpington Urban District, Kent(But,St.Mary Cray Cemetery,Kent ?).
    BUTTFIELD, Edwin Henry Frederick - Lac - 753562 - RAFVR.
    City of London Cemetery and Crematorium, Manor Park, Essex.
    BURTON, Archibald Charles George - AC2c - 1255083 - RAFVR - 610 Sqn.
    Eastbrookend(Dagenham) Cemetery, Essex.
    SNADDON, William - AC2c - 995153 - RAFVR.
    Alloa(Sunnyside) Cemetery, Clackmannanshire.
    WHITFORD, John Leonard - AC2c - 1256603 - RAFVR.
    Chingford Mount Cemetery, Essex.
    WRIGHT, William - AC1c - 810068 - RAF (AAF) - 610 Sqn.(31-08-1940 ?).
    Bebington Cemetery, Cheshire.

    BAKER, Alfred - Cpl - 624349 - RAF.
    BRUNNING, Thomas Charles Joseph - Lac - 753567 - RAFVR.
    CLARK, Percy Cecil - Cpl - 343849 - RAF.
    DYNING, James John Quiller (Bill) - Lac - 940164 - RAFVR.
    EMERY, Douglas Arthur - AC2c - 958357 - RAFVR.
    GEORGE, John Albert - AC1c - 907585 - RAFVR.
    IMESON, Bertram Archibald George - Cpl - 514385 - RAF.
    JACKSON, John Joseph - AC1c - 810029 - RAF (AAF) - 610 Sqn.
    MUSGROVE, Joseph - AC2c - 958359 - RAFVR.
    YORKE, Peter Desmond Leigh - F/O - 31255 - RAF.
    MUMFORD, Walter Herbert Robert - Cpl - 85081 - RAF.
    STOPHER, Eric Harry - AC2c - 964873 - RAFVR.
    WHITE, Richard Wemyss - Cpl - 744489 - RAFVR.
    The thirteen airmen listed above all rest at St.Mary Cray Cemetery, Kent.

    The twentynine Airmen listed above were killed during an Air Raid on RAF Biggin Hill.

    STICKLAND, Richard Francis - F/Sgt - 350903 - RAF.
    Ryde Borough Cemetery, Isle of Wight.
    Killed in an Air Raid on Queensferry while home on leave.

    BARON, Thomas Joseph - AC1c - 638908 - RAF - 12 Sqn.
    Great Harwood Cemetery, Lancashire.
    Killed by accidental shooting by another airman.

    STONE, Barrie - AC2c - 639515 - RAF - 53 Sqn.
    Ryde Borough Cemetery, Isle of Wight.
    Killed in an Air Raid on RAF Detling.

    HARRIS, Francis Beach - F/Lt - 39231 - RAF.
    Lossiemouth Burial Ground, Moray.
    Magister I - T9754 - 22 OTU.

    From CWGC -

    AUSTRALIA
    TWEEDIE, Thomas - Lac - 404067 - RAAF.
    Brisbane General (Toonong) Cemetery, Queensland, Australia.
    Wirraway - A20-33 - 2 SFTS.

    NETHERLANDS
    BEST, Herbert Henry - Sgt - 626342 - RAF.
    HORSFALL, Alan Albert - Sgt - 580957 - RAF.
    SKINNER, Eric William J - Sgt - 743057 - RAFVR.
    SMETTEM, Kenneth Richard Killey - P/O - 41877 - RAF.
    These four airmen rest at Groesbeek Canadian War Cemetery, Gelderland, Netherlands.
    They were crew of Hampden I - L4079 - 50 Sqn.

    BENTHAM, Henry - Sgt - 552444 - RAF.
    BERRY, Ernest Reginald - F/O - 39959 - RAF - Medal of the Royal Humane Society.
    SULLY, Alfred Peter - Sgt - 581542 - RAF.
    These three airmen rest at Bergen-Op-Zoom War Cemetery, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands.
    They were crew of Blenheim IV - N3620 - 107 Sqn.

    BAINBRIDGE, George Henry - Sgt - 581078 - RAF.
    CRAIGIE-HALKETT, Lionel Montague - F/O - 39066 - RAF.
    CUNYNGHAME, Wilfred Bertram Stuart - P/O - 41560 - RAF.
    HALDANE, Sydney John - Sgt - 551723 - RAF.
    MERRYWEATHER, George Edward - Sgt - 547673 - RAF.
    PUZEY, Arthur Burnham - Sgt - 755485 - RAFVR.
    These six airmen rest at Zelhem(Halle) Protestant Cemetery, Gelderland, Netherlands.
    They were crew of Wellington Ic - T2559 - 214 Sqn.

    KENYA
    RYNHOUD, Douglas Haig Vaughan - Air Cpl - P/5339 - SAAF.
    Nairobi War Cemetery, Kenya.
    Hartbees - 816 - 40 Sqn SAAF.

    SINGAPORE
    AYRES, William Arthur - Sgt - 610542 - RAF.
    HESELTINE, Richard - Sgt - 563144 - RAF.
    TOMPKINS, Reginald John - Sgt - 565827 - RAF.
    These three airmen are commemorated on the Singapore Memorial, Singapore.
    They were crew of Blenheim I - L1545 - 60 Sqn.

    UK
    EVANS, William Rupert - P/O - 78439 - RAFVR.
    Southwick Cemetery, Sussex.
    LITTLE, Frank - Sgt - 751534 - RAFVR.
    Spondon Cemetery, Derbyshire.
    WATT, John Archibald - Sgt - 755255 - RAFVR.
    Edinburgh (Liberton) Cemetery, Edinburgh.
    These three airmen were crew of Blenheim IV - L9326 - 40 Sqn.

    DICKINSON, John Holt - Sgt - 740861 - RAFVR.
    Egton (St.Mary) Churchyard, Lancashire.
    Hurricane I - P3213 - 253 Sqn.

    FRANCIS, Colin Dunstone - P/O - 42211 - RAF.
    Brookwood Military Cemetery, Surrey.
    Hurricane I - L1965 - 253 Sqn.

    GMUR, Feliks - Kapral(Sgt) - P/780678 - PAF.
    Epping Cemetery, Essex.
    Hurricane I - R4213 - 151Sqn.

    JENKINS, David Nicholas Owen - P/O - 41930 - RAF.
    Bagendon (St.Margaret) Churchyard, Gloucestershire.
    Hurricane I - P3921 - 253 Sqn.

    KING, Eric Bruce - Sqn/Ldr - 32199 - RAF.
    Highgate Cemetery, London.
    Hurricane I - V7369 - 151Sqn.

    NOBLE, Dennis - Sgt - 742128 - RAFVR.
    East Retford Cemetery, Nottinghamshire.
    Hurricane I - P3179 - 43 Sqn.

    GRAVES, Edward Arthur - Sgt - 632826 - RAF.
    Eastbourne (Langney) Cemetery, Sussex.
    PRIESTLEY, John Sinclaire - P/O - 39934 - RNZAF.
    Great Bircham (St.Mary) Churchyard, Norfolk.
    These two airmen were crew of Blenheim IV - L9262 - 235 Sqn.

    BELL, John Swift - F/O - 90051 - RAF (AAF) - MiD.
    Lincoln (Eastgate)(Or St.Peter's) Cemetery, Lincolnshire.
    Spitfire Ia - X4248 - 616 Sqn.

    JOHNSON, Joseph Inkerman - Sgt - 520406 - RAF.
    Towcester Cemetery, Northamptonshire.
    Spitfire Ia - R6628 - 222 Sqn.

    BURDEN, Richard Colin - LA - FX.77610 - HMS Condor - RN.
    Christchurch Cemetery, Hampshire.
    HARE, James Charles - LA - FX.77594 - HMS Shark II - RN.
    WILLIAMSON, Ian George - Lt(A) - HMS Daedalus - RNVR.
    These two Naval Airmen rest at Arbroath Western Cemetery, Angus.
    The three Naval Airmen were crew of Shark II - K8913 - 753 Sqn FAA, RN.

    ANTHONY, Georg - GAF.
    Hitchin Cemetery, Hertfordshire.

    ECKERT, Fritz - GAF.
    Margate Cemetery, Kent.
    WAGNER, Heinz - GAF.
    RAUSCHERT, Karl-Heinz - GAF.
    STAHLBERG, Guenter - GAF.
    DYROFF, Karl - GAF.
    DIETRICH, Thomas - GAF.
    FISCHER, Otto - GAF.
    HEIMEL, Karl, Dr - GAF.
    SCHMIDT, Adolf - GAF.
    MALBECK, Guenther - GAF.
    WAECHTER, Paul - GAF.
    ZINNOEGGER, Rudolf - GAF.
    HARBAUER, Karl-Heinz Johann Moaitz Georg - GAF.
    HORNIG, Walter- GAF.
    REIS, Walter - GAF.
    REIS, Fritz - GAF.
    SAAM, Adolf - GAF.
    SCHULDT, Adolf - GAF.
    STILP, Leo - GAF.
    KUENHEIM, Ernst Erhard Vov - GAF.
    These nineteen German airmen rest at Cannock Chase German Military Cemetery, Staffordshire.

    Alex
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    Default Re: 400830 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 30-08-1940

    Hello,

    UK - WAAF.

    886553 ACW1 Edna Lenna BUTTON WAAF, was an Australian (she spent some time in New Zealand, pre-war), born in Scottsdale, Tasmania, Australia in 1901. ACW1 Button, a Medical Orderly, is believed to have been the first Australian servicewoman killed on Active Service in WW2.

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    Default Re: 400830 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 30-08-1940

    Hello,
    ROBERTS was an Air Ministry civilian Meteorologist on duty at the time of the raid.
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    ROBERTS was born 14 Mar 1901 (Reg Plymouth). Enlisted RAF Dec 1923 - for 12 yrs as a Clerk. He joined Met Office under an AM scheme to employ ex-Regular Airmen (all this from Lyffe, who researched him).
    But still missing his RAF service number!!
    TIA
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    Fw Fritz ECKERT Pilot of He111H-2 ‘A1 + JP’ of 6./KG 53. Killed during combat by RAF fighters during a raid on Radlett, Hertfordshire. The observer took over the controls and made a successful belly landing on a farm land near RAF Manston, Kent.

    Hptm Heinz WAGNER Pilot
    Fw Adolf SCHMIDT Gunner
    Crew of Bf110C ‘M8 + BM’ of 4./ZG 76. Shot down during aerial combat crashing at Enfield Sewage Farm, Wharf Rd., Ponders End.

    Ofw Karl-Heinz RAUSCHERT F/Eng
    Flg Rudolf ZINNÖGGER Gunner
    Crew of He111H-2 ‘V4 + DW’ of 6./KG 1. Shot down crashing at Roy Hill, Hadlow Down, Sussex.

    Ofw Waldemar HORNIG Pilot
    Fw Günther STAHLBERG Observer
    Gefr Dr Karl HEIMEL Radio Operator
    Crew of He111H-2 ‘V4 + BV’ of 5./KG 1. Rammed by a Hurricane of 79 Squadron when attacking Farnborough, eventually crashing at Swires Farm, Capel, Surrey.

    Hptm Adolf SCHULDT Pilot
    Uffz Karl DYROFF Radio Operator
    Crew of Bf110D-0 ‘A2 + HK’ of 5./ZG 1. Shot down during aerial combat crashing at Rockfords Nursery, Durants Rd., Ponders End.

    Uffz Otto FISCHER Gunner
    Fw Ernst Erhard von KUENHEIM Radio Operator
    Uffz Adolf SAAM F/Eng
    Crew of He111H-2 ‘A1 + JL’ of 3./KG 53 Crashed at Lifstan Way, Southend on Sea, Essex after being damaged during aerial combat

    Gefr Leo STILP Gunner
    Gefr Fritz RIESS Gunner
    Crew of He111H-2 ‘A1 + CR’ of 7./KG 53. Shot down by Hurricanes if 301 Squadron crashing at Hunsdon, Herfordshire.

    Oblt Paul WÄCHTER Pilot
    Gefr Günther MALBECK F/Eng
    Crew of He111H-2 ‘V4 + GV’ of 5./KG 1. Shot down during aerial combat over Surrey crashing at Mannings Heath, Sussex.

    Ofw Karl-Heinz Johann Moritz Georg HARBAUER Pilot Bf109E-4 ‘White 1 + -‘ of 4./JG 2. Crashed at Walderslade, Chatham, Kent.

    Gefr Walter REIS Gunner aboard He111H-2 ‘V4 + HV’ Killed during attack by a Hurricane of 253 Squadron. Force landed at Haxted Farm, Lingfield, Surrey

    Ofw Thomas DIETRICH He111H-2 of 5./KG 53 damaged by fighter of 56 Squadron and hit trees while belly-landing at Peebles Farm, Colne Engaine, near Halstead

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    Default Re: 400830 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 30-08-1940

    Alex,

    HARRIS, Francis Beach - F/Lt - 39231 - RAF.
    Lossiemouth Burial Ground, Moray.
    Magister I - T9754 - 22 OTU.
    >> 22 OTU was not formed until 1941. The unit should read 20 OTU (AIR81/2890 is incorrect)

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    Thanks Andy,

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    Default Re: 400830 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 30-08-1940

    Thanks Andy,
    But see this forum's database -

    National Archives AIR81 Description Search

    AIR81/2890 - Flight Lieutenant F B Harris, Corporal D Johnson: injured; aircraft accident, Lossiemouth, Magister T9754, 22 Operational Training School, 30 August 1940. at C16472228.

    Seems that they got so many wrong,yet at that time details would have been fresh to those involved/effected by any fatal crash don't you think ?
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    Default Re: 400830 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 30-08-1940

    Alex,
    Yes, of course, but it could easily be a typo.
    The unit couldn't have been 22 OTU, which didn't exist at that time. The word "School" also seems to be an error.
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    Default Re: 400830 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 30-08-1940

    Form 1180 confirms unit as No.20 OTU

    Normally the detail in the F1180 is what is used in the Casualty File and so error in the F1180 is carried forward.

    There is a growing pile of evidence that in creating the document title for the TNA Discovery transcription errors have crept in at TNA level.

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