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    L.S.,

    Hope someone can help me further with this question.

    As a WWII researcher I got involved over the last 2.5 year in the crashes
    around my hometown Vollenhove ( 50 mi NE of Amsterdam )
    One crash of RAF 156 Sqdn. - Lancaster - JA702 - GT-Z - Operation: Berlin -
    Sunday 30/01/1944
    did have 5 KIA and 2 POW.
    The five killed in action were buried at our Cemetery in Vollenhove.
    The 5 Commonwealth War Graves are still maintained, together with 7 other
    Airmen - all killed during WWII
    1 Canadian, 1 New Zealand, 3 Australian and 7 United Kingdom

    2 became POW:
    1510799 - Sergeant - W. W. Cottam - RAF - EVD - POW - no. 564 - Stalag Luft 3
    972772 - Sergeant - P. Coyne - RAF - POW - no. 566 - Stalag Luft 7

    I'm looking for the first and middle names of these two men and the area
    were they came from.
    Any idea were I can find more, etc.... about these two.
    Any other info about this crash is also welcome

    Kind Regards Teunis Schuurman - aka - "PATS" - Vollenhove - The Netherlands


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    RAF 156 Sqdn. - Lancaster - JA702 - GT-Z - Operation: Berlin - Sunday 30/01/1944

    Crew flying Lancaster - JA702 - GT - Z
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    416543 - Warrant Officer - John Edward Rule - RNZAF - Pilot - KIA - CWGC ref. 2820697
    Son of Edward and Elizabeth Annie Rule (née Allen), of Auckland City, New Zealand

    1510799 - Sergeant - W. W. Cottam - RAF - EVD - POW - no. 564 - Stalag Luft 3

    972772 - Sergeant - P. Coyne - RAF - POW - no. 566 - Stalag Luft 7

    658450 - Flight Sergeant - Kenneth Richard Ball - RAF - Navigator - KIA - CWGC ref. 2820689
    Son of Ernest R. and Araue Ball, of Gravesend, Kent, UK

    1726836 - Sergeant - Edward Arthur Shorter - RAF - Flight Engineer - KIA - CWGC ref. 2820698
    Son of Mr. and Mrs. E. H. Shorter, of Slough, Buckinghamshire, UK

    1552498 - Sergeant - John Johnstone Sloan - RAF - Air Gunner - KIA - CWGC ref. 2820699
    Son of Robert and Margaret Sloan, of Cambuslang, Lanarkshire, UK

    998929 - Sergeant - George Albert Race - RAF - Air Gunner - KIA - CWGC ref. 2820696
    Son of Albert and Laura Race, of East Moor, Wakefield, Yorkshire, UK
    ================================================== ================
    Sixteen 156th Squadron Lancasters went on this mission to Berlin
    Departing from 17:05 to 17:33 from Warboys
    2 returned early due mechanic problems at 20:18 and 20:34
    while the rest went over the target around 20:20
    JA702 and JB302 were missing, while the others returned around 23:30
    When JA702 was lost it had a total of 95 hours
    Airborne: 17:08 - 30th of January 1944 from Warboys
    Crashed in the Noordoostpolder, just north where the village of Marknesse now stands - Oosterringweg 3
    Those killed were buried 9th of February 1944 in Stad-Vollenhove General Cemetery
    Sgt P. Coyne was taken POW - No. 566 - and brought to Stalag Luft 3 - Sagan -
    Sgt. W.W. Cottam did evade, but was captured on 7 Aug 1944 in Antwerp - Belgium
    and became POW - No. 564 - at Stalag Luft 7 - Bankau - both camps located in Poland
    Debris from the crash site was found during March 1973
    Last edited by PATS; 27th September 2008 at 07:07.

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    hello,

    You can get the answers to your questions in the PoW questionnaires these two airmen should have filled in when they were liberated, in april or may 1945. These questionnaire are located at The National Archives, in Kew, London. They would give full names, service number, date or birth, date / period they joined, private address, date and place of capture (sometimes different from the date and place of the crash), the different camps they went through, etc... Sometimes circumstances of capture in a few words, if they attempted evasion, etc...
    For COTTAM, the reference should be WO344/74/1
    For COYNE, it should be WO344/75/2.

    Joss
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    Hi Teunis,

    as Joss has pointed out the best place to look would be the POW questionnaires at Kew.
    I have checked the Birth registers for England and Wales and have found one Walter W Cottam born between October-December 1915 in Birkenhead (near Liverpool) - It's quite likely to be the same man.
    Too many Coyne's to search though!
    I would try the WO344 files.

    Good luck, Tom

    Ps. Joss, did you receive my emails with all the scans a few weeks ago?

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    hello Tom

    Yes I did. Didn't I acknowledge receipt ? If not, please accept my apologies. I'm still sometimes struggling with my new provider's environment. Thanks for the picture and the scans of documents.

    Cheers

    Joss

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    Hello Jos & Tom,

    Thanks for pointing out the sources at the National Archives, Kew, London.
    For myself I'm not able to check that personal.
    If somebody else, who's visiting the National Archives, can help me in this case it would be great.
    For the name Walter W Cottam born between Oct-Dec 1915 in Birkenhead (near Liverpool), I'll check it in detail.

    Teunis aka "PATS"
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    COTTAM, the reference should be WO344/74/1
    COYNE, it should be WO344/75/2.
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    1510799 - Sergeant - W. W. Cottam - RAF - EVD - POW - no. 564 - Stalag Luft 3 -
    972772 - Sergeant - P. Coyne - RAF - POW - no. 566 - Stalag Luft 7
    Last edited by PATS; 27th September 2008 at 07:06.

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    Ross on this site itself has a list of POW

    http://www.rafcommands.com/Air%20Force%20PoWs/RAF%20POWs%20Query%20C_1.html

    Making your two men:

    Camp POW No Surname Initials Unit A/C Serial Service No Force
    L7 564 Cottam W W 1510799 RAF
    L3 566 Coyne P 972772 RAF

    Thus Coyne may not have a middle initial.

    YOu do not have to attend Kew in person, you can request digital or paper comies of the documents from their website. Might be expensive but cheaper than a plane ticket unless you order lots and lots of them.

    Check out their site.

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 27th September 2008 at 11:30.
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    Hi Dennis

    As far as I am aware, it is not possible to order POW questionnaires from Kew on line. I have ordered Escape and Evasion reports this way but I think that is because they have a unique reference number which the POW reports don't. I'm happy to be corrected on this if anybody can confirm or otherwise

    Cheers

    Eddie

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    I don't know either but

    Scope and content
    COSBY - COUCHMAN R
    Covering dates 1945-1946
    Availability Open Document, Open Description, Retained Until 2004
    Held by The National Archives, Kew

    But when you order this while file you can specifiy instructions on the next 'order' screen to only copy for you a specific file, I know i have done this for some escape evasion files, asked for only the relevent men I wanted.

    The file you order from is WO344/74 but you then tell the system to look for specific parts or pages in that for you.

    Go to the catalogue,
    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp?j=1

    Pop the reference WO344/74/1 or WO344/74/2 into the upper left hand screen search field, and try it out?

    Scope and content
    COSBY - COUCHMAN R
    Covering dates 1945-1946
    Availability Open Document, Open Description, Retained Until 2004
    Held by The National Archives, Kew

    Dennis
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    Can anyone tell me whether RCAF POW questionaires are also in the archives at Kew, please?

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    Are there RCAF POW questionaires in the archives at Kew?

    I should say yes. They all - RCAF, RAAF, RNZAF, etc... were under RAF command.
    PATS - Vollenhove - The Netherlands

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