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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 21-5-1941

    What were the places of death registration for:

    AC2 Cyril CRAVEN - 1378277;
    P/O (Pilot) Eric JACKSON - 44194, and
    F/Lt (Pilot) Marcus KRAMER - DFC - 77345 (7467721 ?) - 242 Sqn (Stapleford Tawney, Essex) - commemorated on Panel 29 of the Runnymede Memorial. (May have been a casualty on Tiger Moth II, N6853 of 10 Grp Comms Flt; ran out of fuel in bad weather and ditched near Beachley, Monmouth).

    Proposed aircraft losses for this day:

    Botha I - L6541 - 4 FPP - crashed in forced landing SE of Lanark.
    Magister I - N3787 - 16 EFTS - crashed on approach Burnaston.
    Tiger Moth II - T6052 - 18 EFTS - crashed on approach Fairoaks.
    Tiger Moth - AX786 (ex G-AEXG) - 3 PRU - spun into ground 1 mile SW of Girton, Cambridgeshire.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    Cyril Craven Age 29 Don Valley district
    Eric Jackson Age 21 Cambridge district

    regards

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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
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    Hi Henk
    Craven,29, registered at Don Valley, W Yorkshire
    Jackson,21 registered at Cambridge which would be right for the accident at Girton, which is on the NW outskirts of the City
    Kramer did not come up.
    Regards
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    Thanks Dennis and Dick for your info.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    Kramer

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/sugar4.html

    "His name is on the Runnymede memorial Panel 29. His AJEX card states that the Jewish Chaplains wrote to the father who replied that “his plane was seen to crash into the River Severn near Chepstow and his tunic was washed up almost immediately” and is therefore believed to be dead. Also that the “Times” reported his death on the 31/12/41."


    Chepstow is near Monmouth

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    There is an interesting clash of information on Kramer. CWGC doesn't give a unit. Henk has him with 242 Sqn in Essex, but Paul's link indicates 2 possible other Sqns. 600 Sqn which in May 41 were flying Beaufighters at Colerne,near Bath and the Bristol Channel/ River Severn area that would include Chepstow for an a/c with the range of a Beaufighter, and 29 Sqn also with Beaufighters, but at West Malling in Kent or Coltishall, in Norfolk. A Tiger Moth as a station a/c or a Sqn a/c would not be entirely out of place but would be quite a long way from home if it was from the Eastern side of England and came down near Monmouth.The info on Sqn locations comes from Jefford's RAF Squadrons
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    Does Wynn in MoBoB have anything on Kramer?

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    Not much more in MoBoB other than he was posted to 256 Sqn at Catterick on January 1 1941 before moving to HQ 10 Group on February 3rd, as Group Gunnery Officer.

    Wynn also states that he was serving with 29 Sqn at the time of his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Hi Henk
    Craven,29, registered at Don Valley, W Yorkshire
    Jackson,21 registered at Cambridge which would be right for the accident at Girton, which is on the NW outskirts of the City
    Kramer did not come up.
    Regards
    Dick
    Hi Ross,
    Tiger Moth AX785 (ex. G-AEXG), P/O JACKSON supposed was killed on, was 3 PRU. This was Coastal Command ? He's not listed in your Vol.1. Please advise.
    Regards,
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    Marcus Kramer Gp. Gunnerey Officer HQ 10 Gp. lost in Tiger Moth (N6853) when it ran out of fuel and ditched in River Severn near Beachley. (Air Historical Branch)

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