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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 23-12-1941

    What were the places of death registration for:

    A - Died on active service:
    AC2 Frank H. ANDREWS - 1232965 - attd 792 Sqn FAA, and
    AC2 John MAXWELL - 1477442.

    B - Not found Flight archives:
    Cpl Frederick L. JONES - 178051 - age 41;
    Cpl William O.L. POWELL - 612558 - 947 (Balloon) Sqn (Glasgow), and
    Sgt (Pilot) Leonard H. TICKNER - 950358.

    C - Also looking for the unit of:
    AC1 Ronald FINNIE - 638048 (from Canada), commemorated on Panel 57 of the Runnymede Memorial. (Canadian source: 'Sunderland - FTR from ops').

    D - Proposed aircraft losses for this day:
    Hurricane I - L1927 - 8 FTS - crashed on landing Montrose.
    Oxford I - N4609 - 15 FTS - undershot landing Barford St.John.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    Henk,
    L.H. Tickner registered at York.
    AC1 R Finnie, CAM Ship, Eastern City.
    AC2 Andrews, Ploughley, Oxfordshire
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    Thanks Alan for quick response.
    What means "CAM Ship - Eastern City" ?
    Do you know where "Barford St.John" is located ? (Oxford N4609 undershot landing).
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    A CAM ship was a merchantman which carried a fighter - a Hurricane - which was launched from the bow by catapult to protect Atlantic convoys from Fw Condor and He 111 bombers (and spotter a/c). After being in action the Hurricane landed in the sea close to the CAM ship to allow for the rescue of the pilot. It was a single mission as the aircraft was rarely, if ever, recovered from the sea and it would not be airworthy in any case.

    The RAF/FAA pilots and maintenance crew were carried in addition to the ship's crew and gunners. The usual air complement was three officers (two of them were pilots) and nine ground crew - or sea crew in this instance!

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    Barford St John is in Oxfordshire ~7.5km south of Banbury and was in the Banbury registration district.
    Alan Clark

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    Hi Henk
    The term CAM translates as Catapult Armed Merchantman(a ship not a person!) and was an early response to the German use of Fw Condors for convoy spotting and shadowing in the early war years. The Eastern City was such a ship of about 5500 tons and sailed from Liverpool with convoy ON46 on13/12/41. As was the practice at the time the convoy proceeded to the west to a pre-determined point and then dispersed to various ports independently, in the case of ON46 this was at 5539N 34W. The Eastern City reached Halifax, Nova Scotia on 21/12/41. If Finnie died on the ship it was probably accident or natural causes as he would not have been involved in flying and, from the timing, his death would have been registered in Canada. As he is on the Runnymede Memorial it seems likely that it happened at sea and he was buried at sea and there is no registration but it ought have been recorded in the ship's log. The Eastern City seems to have been used throughout the war, unless there was more than one ship with the name as convoyweb.org.uk (where all this comes from)records it as late as 1945 with many convoys in between.
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    Thanks Al for info on Barford St.John.
    Thanks Dick & Malcolm for info on CAM ship; again I learned wisdom !
    Regards,
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    Finnie could also have been washed overboard, a fate suffered by several groundcrew on aircraft carriers as they got a/c ready for ops.

    Malcolm Macdonald

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    Thanks Malcolm. I suppose FINNIE died on the CAM-ship (or was washed from board) afler leaving Halifax, Nova Scotia ('East City' arrived Halifax 21-12-1941 and his death date 23-12-1941). Allison in his 'Canadians in the RAF' mentions that he was killed in action 23-12-1941 while on patrol on Sunderlands, however can't find a missing Sunderland (RCAF) around this date.
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    Cpl. F L Jones is DOAS per Flight March 5th, 42 edition.

    Sgt. L H Tickner is DIED OF WOUNDS OR INJURIES RECEIVED ON ACTIVE SERVicE.
    The scanned text is: Sgt. L II lu'kner. Found from 'kner' search. Feb, 26th 1942

    To recap:
    A - Died on active service:
    AC2 Frank H. ANDREWS - Ploughley, Oxfordshire
    AC2 John MAXWELL - There is a 23 yr old John Maxwell in Peebles District of Peebles County, Scotland.
    Cpl Frederick L. JONES - DOAS - Theres a 41 yr old registered in N. Kesteven District, in Q1 1942.

    B - Not found Flight archives:
    Cpl William O.L. POWELL - A 21 year old William Owen L Powell is registered in Shettleston district of Glasgow City.

    C - Also looking for the unit of:
    AC1 Ronald FINNIE - CAM Ship, Eastern City.

    D - DIED OF WOUNDS OR INJURIES RECEIVED ON ACTIVE SERVICE
    Sgt (Pilot) Leonard H. TICKNER - registered at York. DWIoAS

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