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    Jon

    A couple of weeks ago I asked if you could help with maybe some unaccounted pre-war airman - I have focused on my Sept 1939 data and will look back earlier I have a 4 queries for the last 3 days of peace - i wonder if you could check for me ? Many Thanks Paul

    1) Alfred Winstanley EASTWOOD #214426 Died suddenly 2nd Sept 1939 Suddenly at Halton Aerodrome where he was instructor - Assumed post RAF discharge death? Rank ??

    2) Corporal Phillip Walter HOPWOOD #854497 Auxiliary Air Force Killed 2 September 1939 by lightning during a thunderstorm at Liverpool while serving with his unit - Was this a Balloon Sqn ??

    3) Aircraftman 2nd Class John MURPHY #617586 Died before commencement of hostilities 1 -2 September 1939??? Date and Circumstances (may be before Sept 1939)

    see http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...342#post126342

    Real Mystery as he is in 2nd RAF Casualty List of WW2 (25th Sept 1939) as Missing but by 3rd Oct 1939 this has been corrected to
    "Previously shown as missing. now reported died before commencement of hostilities: 617586 Aircraftman 2nd CI. J. Murphy."

    his service number indicates enlistment in 1938 and I have a Death registered as Murphy John 20 Bromsgrove Qtr 3 - but may not be him

    4) Ernest NEWELL #23973 died Died 1-2 September 1939 Aged 54 at Elham, Kent, England born 1885 - Assumed post RAF discharge death? Date of death and Rank ??








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    Well one sorted

    The First Fatal Casualty in Balloon Command September 2nd, 1939.

    854497 Aircraftman 2nd Class, Philip Walter Hopwood

    920 Barrage Balloon Squadron had Headquarters at Fazakerley, Liverpool and began to populate various sites in Liverpool.

    http://www.bbrclub.org/The%20First%2...d,%201939..htm

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    4) Ernest NEWELL #23973 died Died 1-2 September 1939 Aged 54 at Elham, Kent, England born 1885 - Assumed post RAF discharge death? Date of death and Rank ??
    If you have an Ancestry or FMP log in, it looks like he has a service record in AIR 79 - might help?

    ETA: Actually, so do Eastwood and (i think Murphy) - I didn't realise service records were (relatively) freely available this late

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    Jeff

    I think only 2 gave FWP / Ancestry Air 79 file

    I only have Ancestry access and this ONLY has index not the file

    I do not know if the Air 79 file will have cause of death BUT MAY have last rank and discharge date ?

    Can anyone with FWP please look for me ??many thanks Paul



    AIR 79/1929/214426

    Alfred Winstanley
    Eastwood
    1885
    Lancashire
    1916
    214426
    Accountant


    AIR 79/249/23973

    Ernest
    Newell
    1885
    Suffolk
    1916
    23973
    Chauffeur

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    214426 Eastwood, Alfred Winstanley, SHQ Halton. Nothing other than natural causes listed

    854497 Hopwood, Philip Walter, 920 balloon squadron, Liverpool

    2e973 ,Newell, Earnest, 2 Squadron Hawkinge, self inflicted cut throat

    627686 , Murphy John , hit by van whilst a pedestrian in Birmingham

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    Many Many Thanks

    Do you have dates and ranks for

    23973 ,Newell, Earnest, 2 Squadron Hawkinge, self inflicted cut throat

    627686 , Murphy John , hit by van whilst a pedestrian in Birmingham


    Winstanley . No rank stated

    Murphy AC2 night 1/2 sept

    Newell 2/9 no rank stated
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    Hi Paul

    214426 Eastwood, Alfred Winstanley, - Enlisted in Class 'E Reserve 21 Jul 1939 as Clerk Pay Accounts AC2 and promoted to AC1 on 22 Jul 1939

    2e973 ,Newell, Earnest - Enlisted Class 'E' Reserve 9 Jan 1939 as Fitter MT and promoted to Cpl on 10 Jan 1939

    617586 , Murphy John , - no record under this number (or 627686)

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    Malcolm thanks

    Murphy is weird Definitely 617586 as reported in many casualty lists







    AIR OFFICER KILLED; ESCAPED IN RECENT PLANE COLLISION
    ... 580896 Sergt. C. A. Hill, 564670 Sergt. 0. L. D. Howells, 37884 Flying-Officer H. B. Lightoller, 580160 Sergt. G* Miller, 617586 Aircraftman (second class) J Murphy, 39748 Pilot-Officer W. J. Murphy, 26117 Squadron-leader 8. S. Murray, 509143 Sergt. S ...

    Published: Tuesday 26 September 1939
    Newspaper: Dundee Courier
    County: Angus, Scotland
    Type: Article | Words: 280 | Page: 5 | Tags: none

    PREVIOUSLY SHOWN AS MISSING, NOW REPORTED DIED BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF HOSTILITIES 617586 Aircraftman (2nd Class) J. Murphy.

    Published: Tuesday 03 October 1939
    Newspaper: Aberdeen Press and Journal
    County: Aberdeenshire, Scotland

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    Malcolm

    Out of interest - Why have you Murphy on the 2nd Sept when he died Night of 1/2 - so it is either - or do you know what time he died ? Thanks

    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulmcmillan View Post
    Malcolm

    Out of interest - Why have you Murphy on the 2nd Sept when he died Night of 1/2 - so it is either - or do you know what time he died ? Thanks

    Paul
    I can't put a split date in Excel so I went for 2 Sep.

    I had Murphy as 617586 but you quoted 627686 in post #5

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