3rd October 2008 19:30
There is some discrepancy in the records re K9968.
The K File has
602S 8/5/39, stalled on landing, C Fenton 5/6/39; ROS, CFL nr Cherbourg 31/11/39 (sic); dismantled and parts to Locking for GI.
The History says
602S 12/5/39, 66S cd Duxford 6/9/39 pilot killed soc.
Does anyone have the true picture please?
3rd October 2008 19:41
P/O D G B Paton of 66 Squadron was killed on this date. Unless someone can attribute a different aircraft to him, it seems likely that he was in K9968.
4th October 2008 14:41
Just to add that "Spitfire the History" has -
K9968 - 182 - FF 9.5.39; 602 Sqn 12.5; 66 Sqn c/d Dxfd 6.9 pilot killed; SOC rtp( reduced to produce).
I have also found a note that 31.11.39 - 602 - K9968 - F/L France pilot killed - Parts for GI.
Just to confuse things
There is alsothe entery for
K9986 which reads -
K9986 - 200 - MIII - FF GP 20.5.39; 66 Sqn 22.5 ;c/d at night Dxfd 6.9; SOC 18.9.
Beggers the question of a second pilot ?
Somewhere on this site I did ask about early Spitfire and Hurricane losses - I do not know off hand if this A/c was one that had answers ? but cannot find the thread in archive now.
All the best
Last edited by Alex Smart; 4th October 2008 at 18:36.
5th October 2008 11:24
I would love to know how a Sqn based in Scotland at the time (602) could hev lost an aircraft in France
6th October 2008 09:13
thank you for your input. There was another casualty on this day , ML Hulton-Harrap 40116, of 56S. He was killed in the 'Battle of Barking Creek'.
On the face of it it looks as though there has been confusion between K9968 and K9986 which I will point out to Jim Halley.
I don't understand the Cherbourg thing either, there were no operations by FC on this day except 'The Battle of Barking Creek', according to Foreman.
6th October 2008 10:50
I think it is worse than that - 3 aircraft histories have become mixed up
K9868 - Del To 74 Sqn 18.2.39, Forcelanded in bad weather and overturned Cherboug 21.11.39. To 21 AD 30.11.39, SOC 9.2.40
K9968 - Del 602 Sqn 8.5.39; Stalled on landing, Church Fenton, 5/6/39; ROS ;Crashed
in forced landing neat Cherbourg 31.11.39; dismantled and parts Of Locking for GI
K9986 - Del 66 Sqn, 23.5.39. Crashed at night Duxford 6-9-39 - P/O D G B Paton of 66 Squadron Killed
I think the 'French' incidents to K9968 and K9868 have become mixed up - The dates are only 10 days apart and the location the same!
The only RAF Casualty on 21.11.39 (assuming Pilot killed) was HENRY NOEL MASTERTON - has anyone any information on his death - He was KOAS
That still does not explain what happened to K9968
6th October 2008 13:43
For the 21st Nov 39 There is Spitfire K9868 with 74 Sqdn as you have noted above.
I have found no other Spitfire or Hurricane loss for this date.
Last edited by Alex Smart; 6th October 2008 at 14:08.
6th October 2008 13:59
Hi again Paul,
CWGC has Pilot Officer Henry Noel MASTERSON not Masterton.
Which Squadron was Henry with I wonder ?
Last edited by Alex Smart; 6th October 2008 at 14:09.
6th October 2008 14:45
Masterson was killed at Chalford, Glos. in Harvard P5871 of 12 Group Pool.
6th October 2008 16:18
From Tigers the story of 74S
"On the following day (21/11/39) three Spitfires were on patrol near Cherbourg, but eventually had to force land in France, short of fuel, having been vectored on to 54S a/c and straying outof RT range. Unfortunately Thom wrote his a/c off. Treacy and Bushell refuelled and took off successfullythe following day for the return to Hornchurch. Thom took a slower route home by rail and sea."
Thom is identified earlier in the book as being Don Thom, a Canadian, and his a/c, listed in the appendix, as P9868.
Don Thom's name does not appear in MenoBoB, nor is it on the Canadian Virtual War Memorial.
I think it safe to assume that the 'Cherbourg' incident involved P9868.