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    Default Avenger aircraft shoots down a V-1, 9 July 1944

    Coastal Command Intelligence Summary No.263. Avenger K/854, Captain Sub-Lieutenant Davies, 0510 hours, 9 July 1944, south of Dungeness. “Aircraft on anti-shipping patrol sighted flying bomb at 2,000 feet course 330 degrees, speed 220 knots. Aircraft opened fire and scored strikes at700 yards and flying bomb dived into the sea.”

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    Default Re: Avenger aircraft shoots down a V-1, 9 July 1944

    Hugh

    There are a few accounts online, but I've hopefully found a more 'reliable' source:

    From Osprey's Aircraft of the Aces: V1 Flying Bomb Aces, by Andrew Thomas, page 33

    The early morning of 10 July also saw a claim credited to a more unusual type. Flying from Hawkinge on a ‘Channel Stop’ operation, a Royal Navy Avenger of 854 Naval Air Squadron, flown by Sub Lt D P Davies, was at the end of a long patrol when at 0510 hrs Telegraphist Air Gunner L/A Fred Shirmer spotted a V1 approaching from behind. The ‘Diver’ gradually overtook them, and as the flying bomb passed about 700 yards down the port side Shirmer fired on it with his turret-mounted 0.50-in machine gun. His aim was good, for although he only fired 20 rounds, the V1 went down. This was the first time a flying bomb had been destroyed by a Fleet Air Arm aircraft, and it resulted in Shirmer subsequently being Mentioned in Despatches.

    I've seen a couple of online sources that states that the Avenger was decorated with a V-1 'kill' marking.

    Shirmer was also awarded the D.S.M. in 1945 for his part in the Palembang attacks, gazetted May 1st 1945:

    Acting Temporary Petty Officer Airman Frederick Christian Shirmer, FAA/FX.115139 (Bilericay).

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    Simon

    EDIT - there'a photo of the Avenger (I believe it may be JZ127?) with a V-1 kill marking here:

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205160528

    Another edit:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Davies_(test_pilot)
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    Default Re: Avenger aircraft shoots down a V-1, 9 July 1944

    Remarkable. This appears to be one of those occasions when an allied crew just happens to be on the right heading at the right height, and speed, and to be fully alert for anything interesting! Good job.

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    Default Re: Avenger aircraft shoots down a V-1, 9 July 1944

    One (V-1) was shot down by a Lancaster’s gunners as well, wasn’t it? 4/3/1945?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianh View Post
    One (V-1) was shot down by a Lancaster’s gunners as well, wasn’t it? 4/3/1945?
    Hello,

    Lancaster gunners "claimed" 2 V-1s shot down. The other claim was:

    28/29 July 1944

    207 Sqn (Lancaster).
    Sgt J Marriott (R/G) - PB286/EM-U - V-1 - 0435 - over sea.

    Flg Off G. H. Montgomery was the pilot of Lancaster EM-U flying at 3,500 feet when a flying bomb was sighted 1,000 feet below on the port beam. As it closed in from the port beam, the rear gunner (Sgt Marriott) opened fire at 600/700 yards and continued firing to 300 yards, whereupon it orbited and spiralled down. A flash was seen as it hit the sea. This was witnessed by four members of the crew. Earlier in the flight the gunners aboard this aircraft had claimed two attacking night fighters shot down. One for Bomber Command.

    See:
    Diver! Diver! Diver!
    Cull, Brian with Bruce Lander.
    London:Grub Street,2008.
    pp.244 & 413.

    149797 (now Fl Lt) George Henry Montgomery and 1581586 Sgt James Roy Marriott lost their lives less than 3 months later, on 15/16-10-1944. see:
    BCL5/454 & http://flensted.eu.com/1944141.shtml

    Col
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    Default Re: Avenger aircraft shoots down a V-1, 9 July 1944

    Quote Originally Posted by ianh View Post
    One (V-1) was shot down by a Lancaster’s gunners as well, wasn’t it? 4/3/1945?
    Hello,

    Do you know which unit it was?

    Peter

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    Default Re: Avenger aircraft shoots down a V-1, 9 July 1944

    Sorry Peter. Don’t have access to my copy of Brian Cull’s book at the moment. Maybe Col can oblige!

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    Default Re: Avenger aircraft shoots down a V-1, 9 July 1944

    I have the book but I had forgotten this claim:
    619 Sqn, Lancaster PD414, Pilot Wg Cdr S.G. Birch, shared by air gunners Sgts J.D. Longworth and E.M. Marton on the night 3-4 March 1945

    Peter

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    Default Re: Avenger aircraft shoots down a V-1, 9 July 1944

    Quote Originally Posted by phasselgren View Post
    I have the book but I had forgotten this claim:
    619 Sqn, Lancaster PD414, Pilot Wg Cdr S.G. Birch, shared by air gunners Sgts J.D. Longworth and E.M. Marton on the night 3-4 March 1945

    Peter
    Hello,

    Brian Cull has erred on this one.

    Lancaster PD414 did not exist. PD414 fell within a Lancaster I black out block. Sgts Longworth and Martin were aboard 619 Sqn Lancaster I PD441:PG-B, on 3/4 March, 1945.

    Diver! Diver! Diver!/Cull/Grub Street/2008/pp.380 & 427.

    See also:

    619: The History of a Forgotten Squadron.
    Clark,Bryan
    Bognor Regis:Woodfield Publishing,2007 (4th ed.).
    pp.58 & 75 (fn.154).

    and ...

    Royal Air Force Aircraft PA100 - RZ999
    Halley, James J (Comp.).
    Tonbridge:Air-Britain (Historians),1992.
    pp.19-20

    Col.
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