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Thread: Photos of Wallace McIntosh DFC* DFM on the IWM Collections website...?

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    Default Photos of Wallace McIntosh DFC* DFM on the IWM Collections website...?

    Hello

    On the IWM Collections website are these photos:

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205454352

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205454353

    Captioned with the following:

    Original wartime caption: Flying Officer Wallace McIntosh, DFC & Bar., DFM., was born at Udney, Aberdeen in 1920 and in civil life was a farmer. He was awarded the D.F.M. in October 1943 and the D.F.C. in July 1944, being awarded a Bar to it the following December. He has destroyed six enemy aircraft. "In times of stress he has shown great coolness, courage and fine fighting spirit" states a citation. He is now serving at an R.A.F. Bomber Station, and is the youngest air gunner in Bomber Command to be so highly decorated.

    I'm pretty sure it's not him so who is it? He doesn't have a DFM ribbon, or an Air Gunner brevet, as shown in this photo of Wallace McIntosh (albeit rotated 90ļ for some reason):

    http://www.207squadron.rafinfo.org.u...sh-RGO-red.jpg

    The same photo appears in 'Gunning for the Enemy' by Mel Rolfe, and here: https://alchetron.com/Wallace-McIntosh

    Another photo here: https://doriccolumns.wordpress.com/w...l-end-charlie/

    I asked the IWM if they were sure their photos are of him, and got this reply:

    ...the caption that we have published with image CH 15150 comes from captions created at the time by the original photographer, so the image could be circulated for press and official use. Of course thereís a possibility that a mistake was made at the time but Iím not aware of any sources we could use to make a definitive judgement of whether these two images that we have are really the man in question.

    I understand the reasoning behind their reply, but if it can be proven it's someone else, the captions can be updated, perhaps?

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    Default Re: Photos of Wallace McIntosh DFC* DFM on the IWM Collections website...?

    Hi Simon,

    "SQUADRON LEADER E.R. LACEY, D.S.O."

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205454351

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    Default Re: Photos of Wallace McIntosh DFC* DFM on the IWM Collections website...?

    Thanks Mojmir

    Most curious!

    This is captioned as Lacey too, apparently:

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205454350

    This is the same photo used in Mel Rolfe's biography of McIntosh!

    This is Lacey, it appears: http://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/LaceyER.htm

    Seems something has gone awry with the captioning somewhere?

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    Default Re: Photos of Wallace McIntosh DFC* DFM on the IWM Collections website...?

    Were there 2 Air Gunners named ER Lacey DSO ?

    http://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/LaceyER.htm

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    Default Re: Photos of Wallace McIntosh DFC* DFM on the IWM Collections website...?

    I did see that there was another McIntosh of 207 Squadron who was awarded the D.F.C. and Bar, namely 145837 John McIntosh:

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...submit1=Search

    Can't find a photo of him though...

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    EDIT - he's in 'Lancaster at War' and it's none of those in any of the above photos...
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    Default Re: Photos of Wallace McIntosh DFC* DFM on the IWM Collections website...?

    Hi,

    "SQUADRON LEADER J.L. MUNRO, DSO., DFC."

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205454348

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ject/205454349

    1944-08-05 - Avro Lancaster "M for Mother", L/R: P/O Bob Cook DFC, P/O Bob Jack (Bomb Aimer), P/O Alfred "Happy" Hall (Navigator), W/C John F. Grey DSO, DFC (Pilot), Larry Sutherland DFC & Bar (Mid Upper Gunner) & Wallace McIntosh DFC, DFM (Rear Gunner). There is not Tommy Young (Flight Engineer)

    https://blog.safarikovi.org/2019_03_27_archive.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_McIntosh

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    Default Re: Photos of Wallace McIntosh DFC* DFM on the IWM Collections website...?

    Thanks Mojmir

    That's clearly not Les Munro, it's Edward Richard Lacey from post #3...!

    I'm wondering all these captions are out of synch by one or two.

    I've asked the IWM again to see if they know...they'll be fed up with me ere long.

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    Default Re: Photos of Wallace McIntosh DFC* DFM on the IWM Collections website...?

    Thank you once again Mojmir.

    What a mess! I think I'll just direct the IWM to this thread...

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    Default Re: Photos of Wallace McIntosh DFC* DFM on the IWM Collections website...?

    I got another e-mail from IWM Collections this morning, and they're now on the case and looking into it.

    Hopefully it'ss just a small sample that's wrongly captioned, otherwise it could get very messy!

    Thank you Mojmir for your help on this.

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