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    Default Plane crash- Snitterby, Licolnshire 10/08/1943

    I came across the following on another forum I visit. Can anybody suggest what aircraft was involved.

    "My Dad as always told me - and this is what he was told - that his grandfather's (my great grandfather's) sister, Olive, was killed in World War Two when a plane hit the house she was living in - he was told that she ran back in to the house to get a baby and they both died. I have done a search on CWGC and find both Olive and her son, John (died aged 15 weeks). Both died on 10th August 1943 at Snitterby, Lincolnshire. I have find there buried on 14th August 1943 at Glenworth, Lincolnshire, (Olive was born in Glentworth, Lincolnshire, and its were her father was living at the time of her death - her mother had died in 1941 and is also buried at Glentworth, Lincolnshire)."

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    Hi Nick
    From Chorley BCL Vol 4, the a/c was a Halifax HR981,MH-D, of 51 Sqn which took off at 2140 from Snaith, for an Op to Nuremburg. The W/op, P/O C A H Sylvester died, the other 6 crewmembers survived with injuries. The Civilian losses came in the subsequent fire although Chorley only mentions a child with no other detail. The reason for the crash is not given but the site is given as Snitterby House Farm,nr Kirton in Lindsay.
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    Thanks, Dick

    I will pass this onto the interested party if they still require the information.

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    Who were the crew of this aircraft? The survivors.

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    Dennis
    P/O W J McPherson,pilot
    F/O F S Moores, F/E
    P/O A T Ellis,Nav
    Sgt R T Payne,Air Bomber
    P/O C A R Sylvester, W/op-killed
    P/O J Grudzien, M/U Gunner
    P/O W R Clow,Rear Gunner
    This comes from Chorley BCL Vol 4 and all but Sylvester were injured.
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    Default Crew awards

    A lot of gongs for this crew and other bits of info.

    These awards may not all be for this crash I guess.


    Gazette Issue 36215 published on the 15 October 1943. Page 3 of 12
    Air Ministry,19th October, 1943.
    The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the following awards: -
    Distinguished Flying Cross.
    Pilot Officer William John MACPHERSON (146862), Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, No. 51 Squadron.

    Gazette Issue 36215 published on the 15 October 1943. Page 3 of 12
    Air Ministry,19th October, 1943.
    The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the following awards: -
    Distinguished Flying Cross.
    Pilot Officer Francis Stephen MOORES (52574), Royal Air Force, No. 51 Squadron.

    Gazette Issue 36215 published on the 15 October 1943. Page 3 of 12
    Air Ministry,19th October, 1943.
    The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the following awards: -
    Distinguished Flying Cross.
    Pilot Officer Anthony Trevor ELLIS (146795), Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve, No. 51 Squadron.

    Gazette Issue 36215 published on the 15 October 1943. Page 3 of 12
    Air Ministry,19th October, 1943.
    The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the following awards: -
    Distinguished Flying Cross.

    Pilot Officer Joseph GRUDZIEN (Can/J.22090), Royal
    Canadian Air Force, No. 51 Squadron.

    Casualty List 633
    GRUDZIEN, Joseph, PO, Seriously injured on active service overseas. Mrs. Michael Grudzien (mother), 603 Northern Avenue . Fort William. Ont.

    Gazette Issue 36211 published on the 12 October 1943. Page 5 of 16
    A if Ministry, i$th October, 1943.
    The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the following awards.
    Distinguished Flying Cross.
    Flying Officer William Ralph CLOW (Can.J.14011), Royal Canadian Air
    Force, No. 51 Squadron.


    Hamilton Spectator, 1944/08/30
    F.O. CLOW RETURNS FROM OVERSEAS WEARING D.F.C.

    Back from overseas, wearing the ribbon of the Distinguished Flying Cross
    and with a tour of operations behind him, is Flying Oficer W. It. Clow, whose wife is residing at 263 John street south . The D.F.C. was well earned. In addition, to complete his tour of "ops" the veteran air gunner shot down one enemy plane, and, as the only member of the crew not seriously injured, helped rescue his fellow crew members when their a1rcraft crashed. He suffered a sprained ankle in the accident, which he did not describe further.
    The son of Mr. and Mrs. C. R. Clow, of R.R. 2, Picton, Ont., Fl~'ing Officer Clow enlisted with the R .C. A.F. in Kingston in June, 1940, and was posted to the R.C.A.F. recruiting depot in Hamilton, where he served for two years. Then he remustered into air crew.

    Does Chorley list the RCAF as RCAF?
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    CWGC lists the dead airman as
    Name: SILVESTER, CYRIL ALBERT HENRY
    Service No: 148478
    Additional information: Son of Albert Henry and Ethel May Silvester; husband of Joan Gladys Silvester, of Clacton.

    Dennis
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    Dennis
    Chorley normally indicates the Air Force, as you probably know, but there is no such indication for any of the crew on this occaision in the crew list or in the short description of the crash where he often indicates the country of origin of a nominal member of the RAF or RAFVR.
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    Dick and Dennis,

    Thank you for the additional info, far more than expected when I posed the original question.

    I wondered given the take off time of 2140 and the close proximity of several airfields (three noted on Google Earth) to the crash site whether the aircraft had diverted due to a technical problem. Obviously this is speculation and the answers may well lie within the 51 Sqn ORB and Form 1180.

    Regards,

    Nick

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    Hi, Nick put this post up for me about my great grandfather's sister and I just wanted to say a big Thank You to Nick and to everyone who also helped. You have helped me find some information that I do not know before.

    Thank You everyone.

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