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    Default AC2 Christmas Hughes - 1667229 - Died 3/7/43 - Campbeltown (Kilkerran) Cem

    Warm hearted hello to you all,

    Can someone please provide any information as to the demise of AC2 Hughes. Any information welcome.

    Cheers.

    Steve.

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    Fokker F.XXII (ex. G-AFXR) of 1680 Flt, took off Tiree for a flight to Abbotsinch and back to Stornoway. Engine caught fire on return flight and crashed in West Loch Terbert near Mull in Kintyre. A total of 20 crew and passengers were killed, among them AC2 Christmas HUGHES.

    Henk.

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    Some history for the crash:

    http://groups.msn.com/Kintyre/lochielshistory.msnw

    Those buried in the same cemetary are likely to be:

    1.JONES, BENJAMIN HEYWOOD, B H Wing Commander ( Flying Instr. ) 26140 Royal Air Force 03/07/43 Unknown Division 4. Grave 612.
    2. REID, ADAM CUMMING, A C Corporal 1111187 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 30 Division 4. Grave 613.
    3. JEFFERY, DOUGLAS, D Aircraftman 1st Class 1618455 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 21 Division 4. Grave 614.
    4. DEMPSTER, ALLAN BOYLAN, A B Aircraftman 1st Class 1560330 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 Unknown Division 4. Grave 615.
    5. STRAUGHAN, JAMES, J Corporal 645807 Royal Air Force 03/07/43 22 Division 4. Grave 616.
    6. COMBE, ROBERT WILLIAM STENHOUSE, R W S Aircraftman 1st Class 1572587 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 20 Division 4. Grave 617.
    7. CARTER, ALLAN, A Aircraftman 1st Class 1207607 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 Unknown Division 4. Grave 618.
    8. HUGHES, CHRISTMAS, C Aircraftman 2nd Class 1667229 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 20 Division 4. Grave 619.
    9. BOWEN, PRYCE OLIVER, P O Leading Aircraftman 1151509 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 Unknown Division 4. Grave 621.
    10. AULT, REGINALD WILLIAM, R W Flight Sergeant ( W.Op./Air Gnr. ) 935055 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 27 Division 4. Grave 622.
    11. SPENCER, JOHN, J Aircraftman 1st Class 1531081 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 Unknown Division 4. Grave 623.
    12. RAYNER, GEORGE EDWARD, G E Leading Aircraftman 121784 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 37 Division 4. Grave 627.
    13. GILLIBRAND, NORMAN, N Private 11411778 Pioneer Corps 03/07/43 37 Division 4. Joint grave 620.
    14. KNOX, EWEN SAMUEL, E S Flight Lieutenant ( Pilot ) 40923 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 03/07/43 27 Division 4. Joint grave 620.

    This then is from a website which is some what defunct:
    Amongst the listed casualties of the crash were E. S. Knox, Pilot officer RNZAF, A .Dempster, Rayner, Spenser, Jeffrey, Straunigan, A Reid, Carter, Hughes, Bowen, Booker and Gillibrand and also Wing Com. B. H. Jones, Station Commander at Abbotsinch Airport and, although Gillibrand 'was not found or registered locally', he was buried with the above in Kilkerran Cemetery in Campbeltown. One of the casualties was recorded as being a 19-year old reservist policeman and, more than sixty years after the crash, the real tragedy of his death came to light when a retired policeman was asked to try and verify the truth of matters that, were the entry correct, the young reservist's name could be added to the memorial list of those killed on active service at The Scottish Police College in Tulliallan. 27 After making numerous, seemingly fruitless enquiries, the young man's grave was eventually discovered in Hawkhead Cemetery in Paisley and proof found that he had indeed been returning from police duties in The Western Isles when the plane crashedand, from the headstone, it was found that, within a year or so of the crash in West Loch Tarbert, both the young man's parents had died, one committing suicide and the other 'dying of a broken heart' as a consequence of the sad course of events

    http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Na8A8XigZ2gJ:www.scribd.com/doc/4813833/Ardrishaig-and-Loch-Fyne-At-War+fokker+G-AFXR+1943+hughes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ie&client=f irefox-a

    These four people must be associated with the crash perhaps:

    15. Name: REID, JAMES ALEXANDER WATSON
    Initials: J A W
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Civilian
    Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
    Age: 19
    Date of Death: 03/07/1943
    Additional information: Constable, Police War Reserve; of 13 Calside, Paisley, Renfrewshire. Son of the late William W. and Janetta Duncan Reid. Died at West Loch, Tarbert.
    Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
    Reporting Authority: ARGYLL COUNTY, SCOTLAND

    16. Name: THOMSON, WILLIAM ABEL
    Initials: W A
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Civilian
    Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
    Age: 33
    Date of Death: 03/07/1943
    Additional information: Home Guard. Son of Kenneth and Jane Thomson, of 39 Upperkirkgate, Aberdeen; husband of Jane Reith Thomson, of 37 Hutcheon Street, Aberdeen. At West Loch, Tarbert.
    Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
    Reporting Authority: ARGYLL COUNTY, SCOTLAND

    17. Name: THOMSON, PETER
    Initials: P
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Civilian
    Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
    Age: 39
    Date of Death: 03/07/1943
    Additional information: Son of Euphemia Burns Thomson, of 1 Pirniefield Grove, Edinburgh, and of the late Thomas Thomson; husband of Magdalene Fredericka Thomson, of 38 Restalrig Road, Leith, Edinburgh. Died at West Loch, Tarbert.
    Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
    Reporting Authority: ARGYLL COUNTY, SCOTLAND

    18. Name: DILLON, ALBERT JOHN
    Initials: A J
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Civilian
    Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
    Age: 36
    Date of Death: 03/07/1943
    Additional information: of Burbank, California, U.S.A. Died at West Loch, Tarbert.
    Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
    Reporting Authority: ARGYLL COUNTY, SCOTLAND

    Leaves two people still not named above.
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 18th October 2008 at 16:01. Reason: added data, added numbers to the names
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    Default AC2 Christmas Hughes - 1667229 - Died 3/7/43 - Campbeltown (Kilkerran) Cem

    Hi Henk and Dennis,

    Brilliant reply to my thread most interesting, it never ceases to amaze me the amount of information available on this forum, nice one.

    Cheers.

    Steve.

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    And from the cenotaph database:

    http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/cenotaph/RecordDetail.aspx?OriginalID=28276&SearchID=123798 0&Ordinal=1

    Errol may have corrections for Ewen S Knox in this case.
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    Default AC2 Christmas Hughes - 1667229 - Died 3/7/43 - Campbeltown (Kilkerran) Cem

    Hello,

    "Fokker F.XXII (ex. G-AFXR) of 1680 Flt"

    Just a little detail to this well researched and described loss. The aircraft was allocated the serial number HM159.

    Source: British Military Aircraft Serials by Bruce Robertson

    Regards

    Finn Buch

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    I assume from the casualties on the ground that the aircraft crashed on Tarbert itself and not in the loch (Loch Fyne)?

    Note that there are two Tarberts (and each has a West Loch Tarbert), the second Tarbert being the main ferry terminal and village on the Isle of Harris.

    Were the majority of personnel being transported from Abbotsinch to Stornoway going to a posting at RAF Stornoway?

    Regards
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    Default AC2 Christmas Hughes - 1667229 - Died 3/7/43 - Campbeltown (Kilkerran) Cem

    Hello Malcolm,

    I do not have a knowledge of local conditions, but I've found the story with this link:

    http://groups.msn.com/Kintyre/lochielshistory.msnw

    Gave me the position to be a crash into the water at Escart Bay. Probably you are aware about this place.

    Regards

    Finn Buch

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    Those named in Dennis' post were all on board the Fokker. The others were passengers Plt Off Grimaldi and a Cpl Wills.

    Errol

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    19. GRIMALDI, MARTIN CYRIL BEAUFORT Pilot Officer 141211 03/07/1943 22 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve United Kingdom Grave 144. OTTERTON (ST. MICHAEL) CHURCHYARD
    20. WILLS, THOMAS ROBERT Corporal 1010467 03/07/1943 29 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve United Kingdom Sec. 20. Grave 145. NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE (BYKER AND HEATON) CEMETERY (5010 Airfield Construction Sqdn.)

    Thanks Errol!
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