RAF officer deaths 1.1.29-3.9.39

Hi All

Just been comparing some of the previous answers with what I've dug up and whilst I've agreed with most the following is incorrect
Fg.Off WADDELL, Robert Cassells, killed 18.8.38, (Hardy K4517)

K4517 was a Demon of 64 Sqn SOC 3/1/38 after forced landing near Martlesham Heath

Waddell was killed in an aircraft of No 6 Sqn, I have not yet identified.

Further to my last posting, I am beginning to add my work in progress on to my website www.rafweb.org, which initially wil cover 1918 - 1939, but by th eend of today shoulfd be up to 1924.

Hi all,

My apolgies for supplying incorrect information. It was a combination of muddling two lines in my database of Hardy losses, and a typo.

I believe the aircraft in which P/O Waddell and AC1 Richard Jennings were killed was Hardy K5920., this is listed in A-B “K serials” as “6 squadron, crashed and SOC 18.8.38”.

I also believe the 6 squadron aircraft lost on 26.8.38 was Hardy K4317, shown in A-B “K serials” as “6 Sq. Crashed 26.8.38”. This would line up with the deaths of F/O May and AC1 Terence Bagge. The note in my posting of 1st January for this accident “aircraft accident in India” should be deleted in favour of “Tulkaren Palestine”.

HTH
Dave Molyneux

Hi Dave

I agree with you regarding Bagge and May.

I didn't associate Waddell with K5920 as my copy of the 'K-file' does not indicate anyone being killed and I have them being killed the following day (report in 'Flight', I haven't currently got the relevant pages of the 1938 AFL), but it seems likely.

Malcolm Barrass

Originally Posted by dave bristol

Hi all,

I believe the aircraft in which P/O Waddell and AC1 Richard Jennings were killed was Hardy K5920., this is listed in A-B “K serials” as “6 squadron, crashed and SOC 18.8.38”.

I also believe the 6 squadron aircraft lost on 26.8.38 was Hardy K4317, shown in A-B “K serials” as “6 Sq. Crashed 26.8.38”. This would line up with the deaths of F/O May and AC1 Terence Bagge. The note in my posting of 1st January for this accident “aircraft accident in India” should be deleted in favour of “Tulkaren Palestine”.

HTH
Dave Molyneux

The March 1938 AFL shows Waddell posted to 6 Sqn 18 Feb 36 and May on 10 Apr 37, which would seem to confirm the 6 Sqn connections for the above deaths.

Errol

Plt Off Carleton Allenby Ross of No.2 Flying Training School RAF Brize Norton Oxford (and from Halifax Nova Scotia) Killed 16 Feb 39 when the aircraft he was flying crashed in a field at Bampton Oxfordshire.

Can anyone identify the serial of this aircraft

He is also incorrectly listed in 'They Shall Not Grow Old' as he died before ww2 broke out- as Addenum #2 points out

Hi Paul,

Whilst I do not have definite proof of a connection, from the A-B K file, Audax K7366 is listed as with 2FTS "Dived into ground at night at Clanfield" on 16.2.39

HTH

Dave Molyneux

David

I think you have it.. The Times does not list accident till 18th of Feb, so could be late at night on 16th
Paul

Regarding this post

MOULD, Gordon Edward, Sergeant Pilot - 23 August 1935. Machine dived into sea during practice bombing, Christchurch Bay. Reported in Aeroplane, 18 September 1935. Lieutenant-Commander Guy Willoughby, RN (F/L, RAF) reported he was leading three aircraft of which Mould's was the third. They dived from about 12,000 feet at 270 mph and released their bombs at about 1,500 feet over a fast armoured motor launch which acted as target. The witness said that having completed his dive he turned to see where bomb had fallen and saw Mould's machine go straight into water. Verdict returned of "Dead by misadventure", the jury adding, "This promising young man died while performing a hazardous but necessary duty."

Can anyone confirm what time of aircraft crashed and the serial number?

Many thanks

Hello,

Hawker Nimrod I K2825, 801 Sqn. Dived into sea during bombing practice 23-8-1935. No idea about a time,

Col.

The list below ties names to aircraft for losses in Scotland:
Flt Lt Brooks G Gerald Killed 25 Nov 30 Mid- air collision Horsley J8013+ J8015 at Leuchars
Flt Lt Howlett A H J Alexander Harold James Killed 25 Nov 30 Mid- air collision Horsley J8013+ J8015 at Leuchars
Plt Off Land H Harold (AAF) Killed 7 Mar 31. On Avro 504 H2975. Collided with Wapiti J9603 Kilmalcolm, Scotland.
Plt Off Philips G C George Christopher (AAF) Killed 7 Mar 31On Wapiti J9603 . Collided with Avro 504 H2975 Kilmalcolm, Scotland.
Fg Off McDowell A M Alexander Maximilian (Lt, RN) Killed 23 Mar 31. Fairey 3D S1341 near Leuchars.
Fg Off Hicks H G Herbert George Killed 15 Feb 32. Fairey 3F S1332 collided with Avro 504 J8509 at Leuchars
Fg Off Elsner L N Leonard Nicholas Drowned 5 Oct 34. Baffin K4075. Firth of Forth
Plt Off O'Reilly G V M Gerald Vincent Morse Killed 22 Jul 35. Also ACM A.J Hopkins. Vildebeest S1708 flew into the sea off Aberdour.
Plt Off Corder G A Guy Alan Killed 20 Jul 36. Nimrod K4623 at Leuchars
Plt Off Spencer J G John George Killed 5 Oct 36. Nimrod S1619 which dived into the Cromarty Firth.
Plt Off Packer P S Philip Stanley Killed 7 Apr 37. Hind K6634 flew into Queensbury Hill near Moffat.
Plt Off Burke P H E Patrick Herbert Edward Killed 5 Jun 37. Also Cpl. S. Metcalfe. Hind K5444 which crashed forced landing Auchengaille Farm, Wigtownshire.
Fg Off Laybourne R S Richard Stratton (Lt, Welsh Guards) Killed 31 Jan 38. Hart K3744 crashed on railway line Strathvithie, Fife.
Fg Off Thomson C A G Cecil Alexander Grove (AAF) Killed 26 Mar 38. Also ACM R.H Starrett in Hind K5498 at Breich, West Calder, West Lothian.
Fg Off Shields I D Ian Douglas (RAFVR) Killed 9 Jan 39. Anson L9153 crashed New galloway also killed LAC's E.F Bennett,G.E Betts, H.G.S Briggs and Civilian N.H Duff
Plt Off Pease I E Ingram Edwards (AAF) Killed 18 Feb 39. Hind K6819 crashed Bishops hill, Fife.
Fg Off Newton A G Alner George Killed 6 Jun 39. Hampden L4107 at Leuchars.

List below is possible name to aircraft losses in Scotland:
Flt Lt Miller A R H Alexander Robertson Hunter (AAF) Killed 3 Aug 30
Fg Off Nangle H N Henry Nathaniel Milo (Lt, RN) Killed 19 May 31. Possibly collision over the Moray Firth Darts N9995 & N9997
Fg Off Colquhoun J A S James Arbuthnot Sutherland (Lt, RN) Killed 19 May 31.Possibly collision over the Moray Firth Darts N9995 & N9997
Plt Off Vaughan-Fowler D G Denis George Killed 7 Aug 31. Possibly Avro 504 Float which collided with Avro 504 over Leuchars
Plt Off Shrimpton J E John Edward Killed 24 Nov 31. Possibly Avro 504 K1248 at Leuchars.
Flt Lt Lacey E V S Ernest Vair Sleigh Killed 24 Nov 31. Possibly Avro 504 K1248 at Leuchars.
Flt Lt Gairdner W D William Dalrymple DFC Killed 19 Mar 36 Possibly Audax K5131 or K5201 at Dysart in Fife.
Fg Off Russell G W R Gerald William Richardson (RAFO) Died 16 Jun 36. Possibly Hart K4427 which crashed at sea 30 miles from Leuchars.
Plt Off Campling A T B Arthur Thomas Blomville Killed 25 May 37. Possibly Audax K7471 which crashed into the River Tay.
Fg Off Vickery P C Peter Charles Killed 28 May 37 Possibly Vildebeest K4594 which hit a W/T station on take off at Donibristle.
Act Plt Off Ferris A E R Albert Edward Ralph Killed 2 Aug 37. Possibly Demon K2855 at West Freugh.
Fg Off Harley W R William Ronald (Lt, RN) Missing, believed killed 11 Oct 37. Possibly Osprey K4333 which ditched and sank after E/F on approach HMS Furious.
Act Plt Off Peacock R V Richard Vivian Missing, believed drowned 14 Oct 37. Possibly Audax K5202. Crashed into Lunan Bay, Angus.
Flt Lt Gardner F S Frank Steight Killed 24 Feb 38. Possibly Wellesley K7734 which crashed in the North sea.
Plt Off Edminson J R L John Robert Limmer Killed 24 Feb 38.Possibly Wellesley K7734 which crashed in the North sea.
Fg Off Thomson G J D George James Douglas Killed 24 Feb 38. Possibly Wellesley K7734 which crashed in the North sea.
Plt Off Green H D Harry David Killed 22 Apr 38. Possibly Audax K7478 at Montrose.
Plt Off Jackson A W Aubrey Ward Killed 14 Nov 38.Possibly Blenheim L1108 crashed at West Freugh.
Wg Cdr Smith H A Harry Augustus MC Killed 14 Nov 38. Possibly Blenheim L1108 crashed at West Freugh.
Fg Off Hamilton-Hall P M Peter Marshall Killed 16 Nov 38.Possibly Magister N3808 crashed near Laurencekirk

Regards,
Alan.