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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 7-7-1941

    What were the places of death registration for:

    F/Lt (Pilot) Alan C. DIER - 40090;
    LAC (Pilot u/t) Ian S. FORBES - 655051 (from Australia);
    P/O Horace G. GILLILAND - MC - 62043;
    LAC (Pilot u/t) Herbert R.B. HEARNE - 1380334;
    AC2 Charles L. HOARE - 1193470;
    LAC (Cadet) Leslie L. KINGSTON - 1377785;
    Cpl Leslie D.W. MILLER - 610335 (from Canada) - 7 BC, 918 (Balloon) Sqn, (Alvaston, Derby), and
    P/O Hugh S. WYNNE - 79261.

    Proposed aircraft losses for this day:

    Magister I - L5984 - 24 EFTS - crashed and destroyed by fire; no further details.
    Master I - T8746 - 59 OTU - flew into ground near Kirkpatrick, Dumfries.
    Master I - T8877 - 8 FTS - crashed on approach ½ mile N of Montrose, Angus.
    Oxford I - P9040 - 54 OTU - crashed on landing Church Fenton, Yorkshire.
    Oxford II - P8987 - 2 FTS - crashed in forced landing near Brize Norton, Oxfordshire.
    Tiger Moth II - N5453 - 14 EFTS - abandoned 1 mile S of Shustoke, Warwickshire.
    Tiger Moth II - R5193 - 9 EFTS - spun into ground 1½ mile NE of Ansty, Warwickshire.
    Tiger Moth II - T7113 - 24 EFTS - damaged byond repair in accident; no further details.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    I have the following from the ORBs:

    No.8 FTS

    July 7th 1941, “1377785 LAC Kingston, L.L. killed in Master T8877. Aircraft glided into sea.
    Investigation held Wing Commander E.W. Simpson on 9th July 1941.”

    No.53 OTU

    July 7th 1941, “Sgt Goldberg and Sgt Manuel killed in flying accident.”

    No.54 OTU

    July 7th 1941, “At 2350 hours, there was an accident involving Oxford aircraft No.9040 S/Ldr M.R. Moon was giving dual instruction to a pupil, P/O V.H. Hunt. On landing for a second time, P/O hunt braked to correct a swing and the aircraft nosed over. Neither of the occupants were injured.”

    The 59 OTU Master was recorded on the 8th in the 15 EFTS ORB, they were operating Kirkpatrick as a Relief Landing Ground.

    July 8th 1941, “Accident to Magister R1848 at Kirkpatrick R.L.G. – Pilot LAC Craddock A.E. misjudging approach and overshooting. Accident to Magister V1081 at Greenquarries Farm Dalston. Pilot Cpl Peszynski, M. Killed – Cause of accident unknown.”

    I don't have anything from the 59 OTU ORB.
    Alan Clark

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    http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/

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    Hi Henk,

    N5453 - no one from your list.
    07/07/1941 Tiger Moth N5453 of 14 EFTS was abandoned after becoming uncontrollable near Shustoke. Lt T McVey Royal Navy was injured.

    R5139 - LAC Forbes
    07/07/1941 Tiger Moth R5193 of 9 EFTS spun into the ground at Brinklow. LAC I S Forbes was killed.

    http://www.couplandbell.com/marg/crashes1941.htm

    Pavel
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    Thanks Al & Pavel.
    Al: 53 OTU: GOLDBERG was on Spitfire X4024 and MANUEL on X4607.
    Regards,
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    Hi Henk
    Dier,21 and Hearne,21, registered at Luton which was where 24 EFTS was based from 22.7.40.(Sturtivant)
    Forbes,25, registered at Rugby which would be the right area for Ansty,Warwickshire
    Gilliland,50,registered at Edmonton, Middlesex, (N London)
    Hoar(no E on the register),19, registered at Saffron Walden,Essex
    Miller,,22,registered at Blackpool, Lancashire. That is a long way from his Unit which is on CWGC and they have his parents as from Sittingbourne ,Kent, and he is buried in Faversham,Kent
    Kingston you have from Al and he is buried in Scotland where the FTS was based
    CWGC have Wynne as Wynne-Edwards, but he doesn't appear on the England/Wales register
    Regards
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    Henk,

    Canadians in the Royal Air Force Les Allison

    Miller Leslie Dudley Cpl 610335 was born at Toronto in 1919 and enlisted in March 1938. He served with 918 Balloon Squadron and drowned on July 7 1941. He is buried at Faversham, Kent.

    Mark

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    Thanks Dick and Mark for additional info.
    Mark: I've 'They Shall Grow Not Old' (Allison) on the book shelve.
    Regards,
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    Mark,
    ......................and also Allison's 'Canadians in the RAF'.

    Henk.

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    F/Lt (Pilot) Alan C. DIER - 40090; KOAS listed.
    LAC (Pilot u/t) Ian S. FORBES - 655051 (from Australia); KOAS listed
    P/O Horace G. GILLILAND - MC - 62043; DOAS listed
    LAC (Pilot u/t) Herbert R.B. HEARNE - 1380334; KOAS in same list as Dier but printed as "LAC H R Hearne"
    AC2 Charles L. HOARE - 1193470; DOAS listed
    LAC (Cadet) Leslie L. KINGSTON - 1377785; KOAS listed
    Cpl Leslie D.W. MILLER - 610335 DOAS listed
    P/O Hugh S. WYNNE-EDWARDS - 79261. KOAS listed and Flight printed his second initial as F.

    There is a 32 year old Hugh S W Edwards listed in Ampthill district, Bedfordshire
    Dennis Burke
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    Hi Henk

    Miller was serving with No 918 Sqn and was drowned, off Harrowside in Blackpool whilst trying to rescue someone.

    Malcolm

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