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    Some sources (AB, and the Spitfire Production list on the Web) have this a/c as being shot down 11/7/40; The History says soc 16/7/40. I doubt that it was lost on the 11th as it is not mentioned in Hornchurch Scramble and FCWD has no 54S losses for this day. Does anyone have any information please?

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    Hi Dave
    This may confuse matters but Franks FCL Losses Vol 1 has this a/c as Scrambled at 1855 and shot down off Dover flown by P/O S J A Evershed who was killed, and CWGC has him as commemorated at Runnymede Panel 8. Both CWGC and Franks have the date as 9/7/40
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    I have this lost on 9.7.40, P/O A EVERSHED killed shot down off Dover by Bf109's. 54 Sqn also lost N3183 (P/O AC DEERE - safe on Force Landing) & R6705 (P/O JW GARTON killed) on this date

    I also have a note that says DEERE and EVERSHED may have been in each others aircraft

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    The plot thickens!

    Aeromilitaria list has for N3183 9/7/40 f.l near Manston Cat 3 Alan Deere ok

    and for P9398 on the same day 'collided with Bf 109 ROS (Alan Deere)'

    Going back to my original query where FCWD lists just 2 54 S losses, now we have three

    L1093, R6705 and N3183 plus one ROS, P9398.

    Can anyone say which of these was KL-B 'Kiwi'? Aeromilitaria has it as P9398 , but I see that the modelmakers (Corgi etc) do not mark the serials on their 'Kiwi' a/c. Deere's 'Nine Lives' is of no help with the serials, howver it does confirm the loss of Tony Evershed on the 9th along with 'Yellow 2', presumably this was Garton.

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    Hi,

    From FCL Vol1 revised.
    9th July 1940

    R6705 - 54 Sqn - P/O. Garton, KIA - sd by bf109.
    L1093 - 54 Sqn - P/O. Evershed, KIA - sd off Dover.
    N3183 - 54 Sqn - P/O Deere, safe - Collision with Bf109.
    K9907 - 65 Sqn - S/L Cooke , KIA - sd by Bf109. (K File has date as 8th as does Spitfire the History).
    R6637 - 609 Sqn - F/O Drummond-Hay, KIA - sd by Bf109.
    R6806 - 610 Sqn - P/O Raven, KIA - Sd by Do17.

    I also found
    L1075 (Air Brit L1000-N9999 has 610 Sqn but no trace in Sqn ORB).
    K9853 19 Sqn - pilot ? - Hit by K9799 (19 Sqn ) taxiing out for scramble Duxford.
    [Palmer's "Fighter Squadron" has (page 180) P/O. Howard-Williams (Red 3) taxiing too fast and hit Red 1's tail ] So who was Red 1's (K9853) pilot?

    While FCWD vol 1 has
    Two Spitfires were reported missing and F/O Deere c/ld after head on collision with Feldwebel Hans Illner who also got back.
    54 Sqn - Spitfires 2 MIA
    609 Ssqn - Spitfires 1 MIA

    Spitfire the History has for this date,
    IS - R6893,R6895,R6805.
    Dam - K9799, R6637.
    Dest - L1075,N3183, R6637, R6705.

    L1075 - 610S - 5.10.39; 603 S 17.10.39; FTR ops 9.7.40.
    L1093 - 54 S SOC 16.7.40
    N3183 - 54 S - sd by Bf109 nr Dover 19.15hrs 9.7.40 P/O Evershed miss.
    R6705 - 54 S - Sd by Bf109 C3 9-7 P/O Garton kld.
    R6806 - 610 S C3 ops 2-9-40.

    Aces High has
    P9383 as flown by Deere on the 9th July claims one Bf109 and one Bf109 unconfirmed, Collided with this a/c [Spitfire the History has Deere in this a/c too].
    and to answer the next posting - Yes Aces High does say that Alan Christopher Deere was born in Auckland on the 12th December 1917. Attended Wanganui High School. He died in late September 1995 and at his request his ashes were scattered from the RAFMFlt Spitfire over the Thames Estuary.
    Alex
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    P/O Alan C. DEERE - 40370 may have been 'from New Zealand'. Perhaps has Errol more of him.

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    Raven was killed on the 8th, not 9th according to CWGC.

    Aeromilitaria has
    L1075 610S 5/10/39 coded DW-N, missing 9/7/40
    R6806 610S 13/2/40 coded DW-N, damaged 12/8/40, badly damaged 2/9/40, repaired and on to 132S.

    Note both with the squadron at the same time with the same code letter, which suggests that the real situation is not chronicled correctly.

    The History adds to L1075's history 603S 17/10/39 missing 9/7/40 (BUT 603S was in Scotland!) The Greatest Squadron of Them All (603S) Does not mention any action on the 8th or 9th July but repeats in an appendix the L1075 detail from The History.

    Masons BoB has Raven lost with L1075, 610S on the 8th, confirmed in FCWD that 610S lost one a/c and 65S another.

    Can anyone say which unit Raven was attached to? EDIT Just answered my own question, CWGC records 610S.

    As usual more questions than answers.

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    Hi,

    So full Circle,
    If Deere was in P9383, Evershed was in N3183 and Garton was in R6705.
    Who was flying L1093 ?

    Hi DaveW, Thanks for input re P/O. A.L. B. Raven, CWGC has him with 610 Sqn, if he was in L1075 and not R6806 it would fit the sceen better as S/L Collins was wounded in her (R6806) on Sept 2nd with 72 Sqn. And isn't there alway a "But" because Raven could have been the pilot of K9914 of 66 Sqn lost due to an engine fire and crash landed on the 8th ( I note I made some time ago [ref forgotten] has K9914, 66, a/c abandoned, pilot P/O A.L.B Raven drowned ) which would bring L1075 to the front again with L1093 ? And then who was the pilot of K9914 if Raven was in L1075 ?
    Also do not be drawn away thinking that because L1075 was coded DW-N in 1939 it would still have that code in July/Sept 1940 nore that R6806 coded DW-N in Feb 1940 would still be DW-N in Sept 1940. Codes were changed frequently it seems, due crashes, forced landings etc being taken out of service, to a/c being repaired, a/c losses and a/c returning to service and been BBOC.

    Alex
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    I have found a couple of drawings of Deere's Kiwi a/c. Kiwi I is in Spitfire Mk I/II Aces (Osprey) at Page 42. A/c is marked KL-B with no serial painted on and has black port underside, I presume in the black/white underside scheme divided along the centreline of the a/c. Caption says N3183 Kiwi May 1940.

    Kiwi II is shown in The History on the second page of the coloured illustrations after page 314. This is said to be P9398, also KL-B, the top surface camo is a similar pattern to Kiwi I , but the underside of the nose is white, again presuming, that this is the slightly later scheme where only the underside of the port wing was black.

    If both these a/c were the the ones involved in the incidents of 9th July then it follows that one of them cannot have been KL-B, (following on from Alex's comments), and no doubt it would have been N3183 that had been relegated to another letter to allow Alan Deere to change to a newer/better 'B', Kiwi II, and will explain how Tony Evershed came to be piloting what was on the face it Alan Deere's Kiwi.

    So who was on L1093? (FCWD reports 'a further three a/c badly damaged) perhaps one of these was written off with combat damage on return.



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    "Yes Aces High does say that Alan Christopher Deere was born in Auckland on the 12th December 1917. Attended Wanganui High School. He died in late September 1995"

    Actually attended Wanganui Technical College (not a high school), and prior to this St Canices School at Westport then Marist Brothers at Wanganui. He died on 21 Sep 1995.

    Errol

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