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    Default 20 january 1944 - Aircraft loss near peine?

    A mystery was found during searching the Dachau Trial documents - these contents the trials against german war crimes mostly against US air crew members.
    In one of this documents (15-1949) it is described that an unnamed US Pilot was hit by a german after landing with his parachute. The german was prosecuted to spend 5 years in jail.
    That happened in the vincinity of Peine (between Hannover and Braunschweig), the name of the village is Alvesse.
    But - there is no known plane crashed at that date in this region, no known US activities due to weather conditions.
    Is there any british lost recorded at that date in that region? I`ve heared that from time to time also US Air crew members flies in british bombers - this could be a trace...


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    Bomber Command Losses (Volume for 1944, Chorley) list three USAAF aircrew being shot down on the night of the 20th/21st January (all in diferent aircraft), of which two were taken POW.

    The third was T/S B H Stedman who was shot down in Lancaster ND367 of 97 Squadron. The aircraft had been detailed to attack Berlin, but is thought to have crashed near Boizenburg. Three of the crew became POW, and three were killed and are buried in Berlin Cemetery. The body of the American, Stedman, was not found
    "despite an extensive search of Zahrensdorf friedhof where he was initially buried"

    The supposed crash location you provide is about 80 miles south of where Lancaster
    ND367 is thought to have crashed, however I have been unable to find where Zahrensdorf Friedhof is.

    Could it be that Stedman bailed out early, and landed further south (I know it is quite a bit further south) to the crash site of ND367? Could there be some mix up with the location of the crash site of Lancaster ND367?

    I was also wondering if the American killed could have been a Canadian. How did they know he was American? Was it form his uniform or accent?

    Do you have a copy of the report?

    Johnnie

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    Edgard,
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    Johnnie, Alan,
    thanks for your reply.
    Sorry for any confusion - the airman was not murdered but hurt and got POW.
    That he was an US was stated by the Trial report.
    I have contact to a guy whose grandfather was the one prosecuted for but the grandfather and father had died long ago so he can ask nobody else what happened..

    So if you can prvide me with the dates of the two US aircraft went down this date it could be very helpfull - maybe the MACR of the planes have some indications - sometimes the german Ku-report is included with the details where the airmen where captured...

    There is a web-site about the Dachau Trials but this document is not correct linked unfortunatelly..

    Sorry it was the wrong file name but here is what I could find:

    "Nazi Crimes on Trial
    'Dachau Trials'
    Trials by U.S. Army Courts in Europe 1945 - 1948

    File Number: US119
    Review Date: 460513
    Case Number: 12-1594 (US vs. Albert Luechau)
    Crime Category: War Crimes
    Accused:
    Luechau, Albert - 5 Years
    Court: Intermediate Military Government Court at Ludwigsburg, Germany 460411
    Country where the crime had been committed: Germany
    Crime Location: Alvesse (Kreis Peina)
    Crime Date: 440120
    Victim: POW
    Nationality: American
    Office: Civilian
    Subject of the proceeding: An American airman made a forced landing from his disabled plane.Upon landing, the airman was taken into custody by the accused, who pushed or hit the airman several times in the back with his rifle "

    The report stated it was a forced landing but the guy had been told the airman came down by parachute.

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    Edgard

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    T/Sgt Ben H. STEDMAN - 10601625 was the rear gunner of Lancaster ND367, still missing and his name commemorated on the Walls of the Missing, US Mil. Cem., Margraten, The Netherlands.
    He left the aircraft with a burning parachute and found dead near Egsdorf close to the 'Teupitzersee' (a lake), 8 km SE of Wünsdorf, SE of Potsdam.
    He was buried 22-1-1944 in a burial ground (locally known as 'Anglo-Amerikaner Feld') in a 'Gemarkung' (an area) named Zehrensdorf, community Wünsdorf (Grave 25).
    In December 1946 twenty bodies were exhumed from twelve graves and after identification reinterred in the Berlin War Cemetery (Graves V-G.1 - V-G.6-8 - VIII.Z.20-35).
    Later on Russian authorities refused the allies any further access to the burial ground and the remains from Stedman may still be there.
    Local historians are working on it but a letter sent to the CWGC for help and co-operation with US-authorities remained unansawered sofar.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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