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    AUS400158 Percival Martin SLOAN RAAF, of 57 OTU, was accidentally killed on 27/3/1941.

    This incident was canvassed on the old board (can't post thread ID's), but the aircraft involved was never positively identified.

    (Spitfire) X4421 was proffered as a possibility, this being rejected by Paul Macmillan, with - " I think we are still looking for another serial for Sloan's aircraft...".

    As an alternative, Mk.Ia K9900 (57 OTU 1/2/41 FAAC 27/3/41 AST 21/6/41), is suggested.

    Only Sloan's undigitised A9300 is available at the NAA. No A705 exists.

    Any comments ?

    Col.

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    Old K-File (1976) for K9900: 54/152/57 OTU/53 OTU/FAA - SOC 30.12.44


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    Hello Henk,

    Thanks for that.

    I must tread warily here. I'm on shaky ground !

    I condensed the service carrer of K9900, so as to place emphasis on the period - 1/2/41 -21/6/41. The crucial part was the mention of 'AST'. viz. Air Service Training Ltd. Exeter, Hamble and Marwell.

    AST was , amongst other things, a repair and overhaul organization where Spitfires and other aircraft were sent after accidents etc.

    It seems as if the damage to K9900 (FAAc), was significant enough to have it sent off to AST, indicating it could have caused the death of Sloan. That was my point.

    Bit wordy, and as I said, I'm on foreign turf here.

    I would welcome, corrections, additions and mild chastisement !

    All the best,
    Col.

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    K9900 of 57 OTU was involved in a heavy landing at Speke on the 27/3/41 which resulted in the undercarriage collapsing and was Repaired On Site


    Can anyone supply a death registration district for Percival Martin SLOAN ?

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    Percival Sloan age 25 is registered in the Holywell district for Q1. No middle initial given.

    KILLED ON ACTIVE SERVICE

    regards

    Dennis
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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    Dennis

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    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=13257&forum=DCForumI D6&archive=yes


    'Wings Across the Border' records the death of this pilot on 27th March 1941 resulting from the break up in the air of Spitfire I K4421 (sic, this is a Hart serial) over Northop, Bagillt, Flintshire. Does anyone have a note of the correct serial please? I have checked the Australian records, the file is not digitised.


    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=7992&forum=DCForumID 6&archive=yes


    Spitfire the History reports

    4421 FF12/09/40, 8 MU 13/9, 66S 16/9, 57 OTU 21/10 steep dive from low cloud, violent pull ot, high speed stall, spun, wing failed. Pilot thrown clear but killed 15.15 pm at Northrop, Flint 27/03/41. SOC cancelled Farn 08/04/41, AST 13/5, rebuilt as FVA M45, 164S 29/04/42, FACE 18/8 (rebuild suspect).

    So there was an incident to a 57 OTU Spitfire on that Date.. Not K9900 as that incident happedn at Speke, but the actual Serial is unknown/unconfirmed/questionable


    This has to be the correct incident

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    Dennis,Henk & Paul,

    Thanks for the additional info on Sloan.

    For the record, I will quote a contemporary (local,Melbourne,Australia) newspaper report of Sloan's death.

    " VICTORIAN PILOT KILLED ABROAD "

    A casualty list issued on Saturday by the R.A.A.F. contains the name of :- P/O. Percival Martin Sloan, of Essendon, Victoria, who was killed in an aircraft accident abroad.

    P/O. Sloan was 23*, and single. He was educated at Scotch College, Melbourne, and was afterwards a clerk. He trained at Bradfield Park and Narromine before being posted to Canada to complete training as a pilot. He received his commission in February and was attached to an R.A.F. unit.

    See: The Sun News-Pictorial
    Monday, April 7,1941.
    p.35

    * Sloan's date of birth was, 9/11/1917.

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    I have changed my mind on this. There is a picture of the wreckage of X4421 at Farnborough on Page 91 of Spitfire the History. There is no way she was rebuilt and I believe Sloan was on this aircraft. What I think happened is another aircraft was rebuilt to Mk Va status and INCORRECTLY given the I'd of X4421. This was lost later with Schaefer killed. Probably looking for another X4??? that was damaged at around the same time but has no subsequent history. BTW Spitfire the History has the words rebuild suspect against X4421

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    PS Accident Report for X4421 27 March 1941 is at Kew:


    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=7&CATID=-893748

    I wonder if it says when wreckage was sent to AST ? The record card says to RAE at 8-4-41 and AST just over a month later (13-5-41) ?? does this seem enough time to do an accident report? and 164 Sqn 29-4-42!

    So it took a year to be rebuilt.. I think it MORE likely ID confused with another aircraft at AST sometime between May 1941 and April 1942. Also why rebuild at a Va ?? -The OBVIOUS reason is that the wings came off and it would need new wings so put on Va wings for 8 machine guns.. But other changes between the marks are the engine, bullet proof windscreen and provison for long range belly tank

    I think we are looking for a Va that was at AST the same time.. For instance "R7230"

    R7230 "BRENDA" Va 1536 EA M45 FF 26-3-41 39MU 29-3-41 611S 15-5-41 HAL 27-6-41 602S 25-11-41 FAAC 15-12-41 ros Skidded on snow on landing and u/c collapsed Ouston 14-1-42 AST 30-1-42 recat E 20-5-42

    So AST rebuild an aircraft that had a high speed crash at high velocity and DO NOT repair one with an u/c collapsed?? - I am not saying this vecame X4421 but I offer it up as a likelyhood about what happened

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    Hello All,

    Have to raise this 'Hoary Ol' Chestnut', again.

    Some kind soul has had the A9300 Personnel file of AUS400158 Percival Martin SLOAN RAAF, digitised. One of the forms within the file (A.M.Form 1408?) contains the following summary:-

    A181638/41 Court of Inquiry held at RAF Stn. HAWARDEN on 31.3.41. Pilot of Spitfire X4421, killed at Flint 27.3.41. The Court considered that the accident was due to the aircraft coming out of low cloud at too high a speed and when he tried to recover from the dive the aircraft broke up.

    See: NAA: A9300 SLOAN P M p.23 of 32

    Looks like X4421, after all.

    Col.

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