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    Can anyone with access to the UK Death Registers please confirm the locations for the following two Australians that were killed on 7-9-1941

    Sgt Kenneth Victor WILLIAMS 400264

    Sgt James Nate Hanigan 402120

    The current assumption is that they died in the collision, of Spitfires P8716 (Williams) and AB874 (Hanigan)

    Hanigans personnel file has been digitized and it says (Page 14)

    A) Spitfire V AB874

    B) 452 Sqn

    C) Surrey Q732773 7 Sept 1030 Hours Day

    D) Aus 402120 Sgt Hanigan J.N RAAF Killed

    E) Kenley Sick Quarter

    F) SAA

    G) Collision In Mid Air

    H) Cat 'E' Burnt

    J) 49 MU

    K) Kinnot

    Can anyone suggest what Surrey Q732773 means (I assume map ref?) and what SAA and Kinnot mean?

    Williams files have not been digitized but puts him on P8716

    Hanigans actual casualty file has not been digitized either

    The main issue is that while P8716 is listed as Collision in Surrey in Aeromilitaria crash lists, AB874 is NOT - In fact Spitfire the History has for AB874 is 'missing near Amiens FACE 20-9-41'

    The location for P8716 is given as Hooley (a small village near Coulsdon) in Surrey.

    So if AB874 was lost on 7-9-1941 in the UK, what was lost near Amiens for 452 Sqn (if any) on 20-9-41 - Or if it was lost on 20-9-41 what was Hanigan on??

    Thanks

    Paul

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    Sgt Kenneth Victor WILLIAMS 400264 AGE 25 SURREY MID EAST PAGE 316

    Sgt James Nate Hanigan 402120 AGE 23 SURREY MID EAST PAGE 316

    KINNOT I take to mean Kin Notified. its on many records I've seen to date.

    Dennis
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 9th December 2008 at 10:39. Reason: kinnot note
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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    Dennis

    Thanks - So both in same collison - Just need the Spitfire serials resolved now!

    Paul

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    Paul,
    According to the 452sqdn ORB, (Digitised on NAA) Sgt Milne in AB871 was lost on 20/09/41, but to add to the confusion, it also shows P8716 as still being on strength on 17/09/41, flown by P/O Smith.

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    Paul,
    Hi again, to confound matters, i've just found AB874 still in use on 21/09/41, flown by Sgt Donald

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    Alan thanks

    "Sgt Milne in AB871 was lost on 20/09/41"

    I think that should actually be AB841 !!! It must be a typo in the ORB - AB871 was around until the 1950s!
    Last edited by paulmcmillan; 9th December 2008 at 11:59.

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    Paul

    I am not able to offer much to establish the ID's of the a/c, but I can tell you that the map reference you quoted is in the wartime Cassini system and translates to TQ291582, just to the north of Oak Road, Hooley.

    regards

    DaveW

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    DaveW

    Thanks

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