410916 - Unaccounted airmen - 16-9-1941

[Henk Welting]

What were the places of death registration for:

AC1 Walter P. COLLINS - 1130417;
Sgt (WOp/Ag) James S. JACOBS - 916806;
LAC (Ag u/t) Norman LAMB - 948543;
LAC George W. LEE - 1305357, and
AC2 Herbert W. NEWSON - 1460545 - age 36.

Proposed aircraft losses for this day:

Blenheim I - L6816 - ATA - crashed on take-off White Waltham.
Defiant I - N3371 - 4 Del Flt - crashed in forced landing 2 miles SE of Dunbar, East Lothian.
Magister I - L8152 - 5 EFTS - flew into ground 1 mile N of Hilderstone, Staffordshire.
Oxford II - V3502 - CFS - crashed on overshoot at night 1½ mile N of New Zealand Farm.
Tiger Moth II - N6463 - 12 EFTS - spun into ground Wormingford, Essex.

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

[alclark]

Magister L8152 was a non-fatal accident according to the 5 EFTS ORB.

September 16th 1941, “B Flight S/P Clarke crashed into telegraph wires in L8152, occupants slightly injured.”

I don't have anything on the other aircraft.

[dennis_burke]

AC1 Walter P. COLLINS - DOAS; In Q4 register. Age 35 Louth District.
Sgt (WOp/Ag) James S. JACOBS - DOAS; Age 21 Salisbury district
LAC (Ag u/t) Norman LAMB - KOAS; Not in Q3 or Q4 register, There is a 26 year old Norman Lamb in Soctland in 1941
LAC George W. LEE - KOAS, Not in Q3 or Q4 register, There is a 27 year old George William Lee in Scotland, 28 in CWGC listing
AC2 Herbert W. NEWSON - DOAS - age 36 Spilsby District.

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Al & Dennis.
Was the "New Zealand Farm" in Scotland ?
Regards,
Henk.

[dennis_burke]

George William Lee age 27 is in the Sutherland area, Golspie district. I wonder if that is the same man at all

Norman Lamb age 26 is in Ross and Cromarthy, Rosskeen district. I wonder if he is realted to the London that crashed there some days prior?

I can;t see the details of either man as I've no credits.

regards

Dennis

[dennis_burke]

The old phone book shave "New Zealand Farm" at these locations, three of them

Duffield - Derbyshire
Chute Standen - Wiltshire,
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23042
Hilmartin - Wiltshire

There maybe more perhaps

[Resmoroh]

Henk,
New Zealand Farm is (was?) a tactical airstrip within SPPTA (Salisbury Plain Practical Training Area). Many of us, in the days when the UK Army 3 Div, and RAF 38 Group, ruled the world have spent many hours/days becoming exceptionally uncomfortable (especially in winter) near New Zealand Farm. The memory of these days was only made better when one was promoted to Exercise Directing Staff (the dreaded Distaff). Then one could sit in a nice warm tent and devise even more devious ways of making other people extremely uncomfortable!!!
I rest my case!!
Peter Davies

[Henk Welting]

Thanks friends for all additional info.
Best regards,
Henk.

[davew]

Gents

Although the death of Norman Lamb is registered at Rosskeen his body was taken from the water off Brora, Sutherland, which is a long way from Rosskeen. His address is given as RAF, Evanton, which is in the Rosskeen district. Cause of death was asphyxia by drowning. No mention of an aircraft accident.

regards

DaveW

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Dave; will amend my files.

Henk.