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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 7-10-1941

    What were the places of death registration for:

    A - Died on active service:
    AC2 Peter R. BUDD - 1383676.

    B - Killed on active service:
    P/O (Pilot) ALAN-WILLIAMS, Douglas B. - 45592 (from Canada);
    Sgt (Obs) George L.B. ARTHUR - 1057444 - 42 (*) "Sqn" (Leuchars, Fifeshire);
    Sgt (WOp/Ag) Gordon B. ASHTON - 978292 - 42 (*) "Sqn";
    LAC (Pilot u/t) Douglas T. FOULGER - 655420, and
    Sgt (Obs) William HEBDITCH - 1101203 - 42 (*) "Sqn".

    Proposed aircraft losses for this day:
    Blenheim IV - V5762 - 42 (*) "OTU" - flew into ground Tebbs Farm, Flag Fen House, Peterborough.
    Lysander II - L6860 - 41 OTU - crashed in forced landing Stalbridge, Dorset.
    Oxford I - R6100 - 6 FTS - collided with balloon barrage Sullivan Road, Stoke, Coventry (two casualties on this aircraft; I've already LAC [Pilot u/t] R. MARSHALL - 526524).
    Oxford I - V3145 - 14 FTS - collided with Oxford V3947 over Lyneham.
    Oxford I - V3947 - 14 FTS - collided with Oxford V3145 over Lyneham.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
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    A - Died on active service:
    AC2 Peter R. BUDD - peter Budd age 18 registered Surrey Mid East district, no middle initial listed.

    B - Killed on active service:
    P/O ALAN-WILLIAMS, Douglas B. - Listed as Williams, Douglas B A, age 20, Peterbro' district
    Sgt (Obs) George L.B. ARTHUR - Age 30 Peterbro district
    Sgt (WOp/Ag) Gordon B. ASHTON - Age 29 Peterbro' district
    LAC (Pilot u/t) Douglas T. FOULGER - Age 20, Conventry District
    Sgt (Obs) William HEBDITCH - Age 30 Peterbro district

    Would the 42 Sqn men be 42 OTU? We seen an example of this recently? Checking the list above of crashes, my money is on Blenheim V5762. If their not listed in Ross CCL then I think thats likely. My copy is in Dublin, I'm at home on the west coast.
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    Hi Henk
    Dennis wins his bet!! Warner's Blenheim has P/O D Alan-Williams , Sgt G Arthur, Sgt W Hilditch, and Sgt G Ashton as killed at Flag Fen House on V 5762 and he has the Unit as 42 OTU. 42 Sqn flew Beauforts from a number of bases in England and Scotland.
    I note that Royden Marshall,26, is registered at Coventry and the crash site is within the E boundary of the city. This could make Foulger the 2nd occupant
    Regards
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    A 100% score this time; thanks D&D for your responses.
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    Just to add a little to what people have already said, here is the entry from the 42 OTU ORB. The accidents were not recorded as they occurred, instead there was a month end statement.

    October 1941, Andover, “Accidents have again been few this month, six in number, but one unfortunately proved fatal, the crew of four all being killed; their names are as follows:
    P/O D.B. Alan-Williams
    Sgt L. Arthur
    Sgt W. Hebditch
    Sgt G.B. Ashton
    This accident occurred on 7.10.41.”
    Alan Clark

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    http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/

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    Thanks Al for info from ORB 42 OTU.
    Regards,
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    Did we ever contact the CWGC about this 42 Sqn - 42 OTU issue?

    Al, do you have a copy of the ORB or is it a transcription?
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    Al, Dennis,
    I didn't contact CWGC. Up to today ARTHUR, ASHTON and HEBDITCH still listed by CWGC as 42 Sqn. Also have P/O (Pilot) Douglas Blundell ALAN-WILLIAMS - RAF 45592 on this aircraft. Allison (TSGNO page 5) mentions that he was from Chester in British Columbia, Canada.
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    OK, I'll pop my head on the block. See what they come up with.
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    having asked them to contact the AHB and PMA:

    "Dear Mr Burke
    Thank you for your e mail of 23 June concerning:

    Sergeant (Obs.) HEBDITCH, WILLIAM
    Unit: 42 Sqdn.
    Regiment: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Service No: 1101203

    Sergeant (Obs.) ARTHUR, GEORGE LESLIE BLAIR
    Unit: 42 Sqdn.
    Regiment: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Service No: 1057444

    Sergeant (W. Op. /Air Gnr.) ASHTON, GORDON BERTRAM
    Unit: 42 Sqdn.
    Regiment: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Service No: 978292

    Our records are based on information provided to the Commission after the war by the relevant Service Authorities. Having checked our limited archival records for each of the above, all are consistent in recording simply 42 Sqdn, with no reference being made to their being 42 OTU.

    Thank you for your interest in this matter. "

    Might as well not have bothered.

    Does anyone have a copy of this ORB entry, its definetly for 42 OTU, no doubt?
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 21st July 2010 at 14:38. Reason: ORB, anyone have it?
    Dennis Burke
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