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    What were the places of death registration for:

    A - Not found in Flight archives:
    LAC (Pilot u/t) Horace V.G. CHRISTOPHER - 921510.

    B - Died on active service:
    Cpl Robert F. WATSON - 521300 (fm N.Ireland).

    C - Killed on active service:
    S/Ldr (Pilot) Herbert V. BARKER - 70044 - age 42;
    Sgt (WOp/Ag) Charles CULLEN - 1053357;
    Cpl Edwin M. HARDING - 359172;
    F/Lt (Pilot/Instr.) Evelyn J.B. MARTIN - 78845;
    LAC (Ag u/t) John POLLOCK - 1340619;
    LAC Thomas A. PRYCE - 96681;
    Cpl (Ag u/t) Peter E. PURDY - 986859;
    LAC (Pilot u/t) Walter H. RICHARDS - 1313284;
    LAC (Ag u/t) Henry W. RIGLEY - 1206996;
    LAC (Ag u/t) Raymond B. ROFFE - 1199517;
    LAC (Ag u/t) David N.P. ROGER - 1313459;
    LAC (Ag u/t) Ronald W. SEYMOUR - 1131157;
    LAC (Ag u/t) Joseph C. SMITH - 1152497;
    LAC (Ag u/t) William A. SMITH-CROSS - 943141;
    LAC (Ag u/t) John W. STONEHAM - 1208585;
    LAC Charles W. STUBBERFIELD - 1166142, and
    LAC (Ag) Bert W. TUCKER - 1382261.

    D - Proposed aircraft serials lost this day:
    Beaufort I - L9808 - 5 (C?)OTU - flew into high ground at night Blackland Hill, Exford, Devon (have already as a casualty on this a/c: W/O R.H. NETTLETON - 563560).
    Blenheim IV - T2333 - 42 OTU - undershot landing at night Andover, Hampshire.
    Hornet Moth - W5753 - 77 Wing - crashed on overshoot Cefnleisiog, Nevin (sic).
    Magister I - P2441 - 219 Sqn - crashed in forced landing Barnham Court, Sussex.
    Master I - N7544 - 9 FTS - crashed in forced landing Bratton, Wiltshire.
    Master I - N7966 - 7 OTU - crashed and damaged byond repair; no further details.
    Oxford II - W6623 - 6 FTS - crashed on overshoot Leadbarrow Farm, near Windrush.
    Spitfire I - R6803 - 53 OTU - damaged byond repair in accident; no further details.
    Whitley I - K7252 - 9 AGS - collided in circuit near Llandwrog with Whitley K9041.
    Whitley I - K9041 - 9 AGS - refer to Whitley K7252.
    Tiger Moth II - BB853 - 7 EFTS - crashed on landing Desford.

    The air gunner (u/t) may have been all on both Stirlings; do hope that someone knows which airmen were on which Stirling.
    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    'Aircraft Crashes: Flying Accidents in Gwynedd 1910-1990', Roy Sloane, Carreg Gwalch
    0-86381-281-3 devotes five pages to describing the collision between the two Whitleys K7252 and K9041 at Llandwrog. However the names other than those of the pilots are not given, K7252 Barker and K9041 Martin, It does go on to say that in each a/c, beside the pilot, were six students, an instructor and a civilian air mechanic.

    regards

    DaveW
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    Hi Henk
    I think you have the crews of the 2 Whitleys although I don't have a source that will tell me who was on which a/c apart from what DaveW has provided
    Barker,42,Martin,27, Cullen,29, Harding,34, Pollock,21, Pryce,28, Purdy,24, Rigley,28, Roffe,19, Roger,18, Seymour,21, Stoneham,27, Stubberfield,30, and Tucker, 21, are all registered at Caernavon, N Wales and that is the right area for the collision at Llandwrog.I didn't find Smith-Cross on the register but CWGC has him as u/t AG so he may be part of the collision.
    Christopher,22, registered at Cirencester, Gloucestershire.This is the right Office for the accident to W6623 near Windrush
    Richards,18, registered at Warminster, Wiltshire which is the right area for the Master at Bratton.
    Watson,29, registered at Bingham, Northamptonshire
    Warner's Blenheim reports no casualties on Blenheim T2333
    Regards
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    Here is the entry from the 9 AGS ORB for the loss of K9041 and K7252.

    October 10th 1941, “Whitley K9041 – Pilot 78845 A/F/Lt H.J.B. Martin – Passengers One
    Sergeant Instructor and 6 pupils, collided in mid-air with Whitley aircraft K7252 – Pilot
    70044 A/S/Ldr H.V. Barker – passengers one Corporal Instructor, 6 pupils and one Civilian
    (Mr J.H. Thompson – Marshalls Flying School Ltd). All occupants of both aircraft were
    killed.”
    Alan Clark

    Peak District Air Accident Research

    http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/

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    Hi Henk
    James Henry Thompson, 22, is also registered at Caernavon, and is recorded on CWGC as Civiian War Dead having died at Llandwrog
    Regards
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    Henk,

    LAC H.V.G.CHRISTOPHER KOAS. Times (Dec 5, 1941).

    Col.

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    Thanks dear friends for all this excellent info.
    Dick: What about death registration LAC (Ag u/t) Joseph C. SMITH - 1152497 ?
    Regards,
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    Sorry Henk I missed Smith in my post. He is also registered at Caernavon
    Regards
    Dick

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    there is an 'Arthur S Cross' age 21 in the Carnarvon register. vol 11b p1064

    The casulaties are spread across pages 1063-1066 etc of the register. I mapped out who was on which page but it does not help tell who was on waht aircraft since both pilots were listed on page 1063.
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 23rd June 2010 at 22:40. Reason: added up to page 1066
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    Henk,
    Your N Wales location for the Hornet Moth is probably Cefn Leisiog (52.9072N 4.572024W), near Nefyn, on the Lleyn Peninsular, in the (now!) county of Gwynedd. Caervarvon (the spellings vary according to which school you went to!) was probably the major administrative centre for the area.
    But what this Hornet Moth was doing "overshooting" from Cefn Leisiog may merit further investigation. Cefn Leisiog appears to be a farm!! But only 500m (or so to the SE), and in WW2 was the site of RAF Nefyn. This was a Chain Home Radar Station aimed (apparently, and if Wikipedia is to be believed!) to pick up possible Luftwaffe incursions into UK from Ireland (or whatever it was called then). Our Radar Expert - Ian Brown - will know (if he's monitoring this frequency!).
    HTH
    Peter Davies
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